gas, when it is burned is cleaner than burning coal, when it escapes from the wells or the wipes unburned, it is 70 times more dangerous than carbon dioxide the first 20 years wchl have to close the leaks in the system and use it as a fuel. >> what can be done to bring the groups together? to ensure we are doing it safely in the most efficient way possible? >> we have to find common ground, how to do it safely. >> can you do it safely. >> i believe you can minimize the risks. the environmental defense fund has partnered with southwestern energy, and together we've developed a model rule for state governments to use to make sure that the wells are drilled safely so they don't leak in to the surrounding aquifeaquifer. that served as the basis for government casiiscasish. we are making progress with the energy companies who realize it is in their best interest if everyone is brought up to a level that this is done safely. >> fascinating. good to have you on the program. thank you very much. very insightful and we appreciate your time. >>> next, the programmer who turned twitter in to a house

natural gas when it burns is cleaner than burning coal, when it escapes from the wells or the pipes unburnedmes more dangerous than carbon dioxide for the first 20 years so we've got to close the leaks in the system and use it as a fuel. >> so what can be done, specifically, to bring all the groups together? the energy industry, federal government, state government, as well. how do you bring everyone together to ensure that we are doing this safely in the most efficient way possible? >> well, we've got to find the common ground, how to do it safely. so the environmental defense -- >> can you do it safely? >> i believe you can really minimize the risks. we, the environmental defense fund, has partnered with southwestern energy, and together we've developed a model rule for state governments to use to make sure that the wells are drilled safely so that they don't leak into the surrounding aquifer. that model rule served as the basis for governor kasich in ohio, for his proposal to the state legislature. so we are making progress with some of the energy companies who realize, it's in their best