he was working for the united college fund, uncf, but first, we will have more from his single. >> ♪ike just like delilah say woo-oo-oo-oo oh, girl, you're so bad woo-oo-oo-oo but it feels so good woo-oo-oo-oo i ain't never seen a girl so bad i've been like mr. perfect goody two-shoes couldn't break me down for nothing uh-huh, uh-huh ♪ tavis: so the experience of working with babyface, what was that? >> it was magical. i had to get over being a gritty, you know what i mean? i had to simmer that down, but other than that, i learned a lot. very important. we went up to lake tahoe actually. you can add a song, and you think it is done, and he will come back and say, "we have to change it." tavis: i am curious, when baby face says the wordplay is important, what is that? >> the words to convey the message. you have to make sure that it is exactly right for the emotional. tavis: i do not want anyone to misunderstand this comment, because i love babyface, and we are from the same place, but you are the most soulful artist out there today. babyface has a hip found, a pop sound, but when you

>> i met her as a uncf dinner while stiff on the staff and we invited her to meet the president. on the day when she came, she, her mom and her brothers came to the white house, and i spent a few hours meeting with them, and it was just great. i got to know them in a way i wouldn't have if they just breezed in and out. >> and how did you go to working with whitney houston? >> we continued to stay in due to the fact. they invited me to a birthday party for her father, and i provided some advice for an hbo special they were doing called "welcome home heroes." then i left the white house shortly thereafter to work with whitney houston and her family. it was an honor. >> i'll bet it was. we're showing this video of whitney when she started in the church choir. according to the reports she's coming back home. there was speculation she would be laid to rest in atlanta. some people even thought los angeles, but she's coming home, and that makes sense to you? >> absolutely. her mom was so active in the church, and i was a baptist minister, still am. so we hit it off there. so fitting she

of the united negro college fund, the so-called uncf.hropic organization that helps more than 60,000 -- let me say that again -- 60,000 minority students each year to obtain a higher education. the united negro college fund not only manages 400 scholarship and intern ship programs which again 10,000 students but also provides operating funds for 38 historically black colleges and universities. tuition at these colleges average 30% less than tuition at similar universities. bill gray has said that he wanted to support historically black colleges and universities during a period when black students were choosing to attend a wider range of colleges. during bill's 12 years as president and c.e.o. of the united negro college fund, his success in supporting these institutions was unprecedented, and that's an understatement. bill sought innovative ways to attract new investment and increased existing funding. by the time he left the united negro college fund 12 years later, bill and his team had raised more than $1.54 billion. to put this in co