. >> next we talk to liberty university professor michael babcock about his book "unchristian america." >> host: you're watching book tv on c-span2, and we are on location as part of our university series at liberty university in virginia, talking to some professors who are also authors, joining us now is michael babcock, his book "unchristian america: living with faith in nation that was never under god." professor babcock, let's start with the subtitle. >> guest: that is a pretty pointed subtitle. and speaking first as an author, i have had the experience of writing titles for books that get shelved -- the titles -- and that was one that developed in the course of publication but it is a fair and accurate representation of the basic argument of the book. >> host: which is? >> guest: that the notion that america is a -- in some sense that is meaningful at all a clip nation is something that is subject to being challenged, and i try to challenge it in this book and drive at the heart of what does that mean to claim that america is a christian nation, and it's christian only in culture

. >> unchristian america living faith in the nation that was never under god, liberty university. now more from liberty university professor ron miller south book tv to talk about his book sellout

. >> host: "unchristian america. living in a faith that was never-under god." michael babcock is the author. >> now more from liberty university. professor ron miller sat down to talk about his book "sell you. musings from uncle tom's porch." >> host: liberty university professor ron miller in your book "sellout, musings from uncle tom's porch" you ride you smile when you're called an untell tom. why is that? >> guest: i smile because i understand what uncle tom was actually meant to be as the author harriet beecher stowe presented in her original novel. i think over the years, both because of the way the character has been portrayed minstrel shows, and tom is an arch type o a christ like figure and he died because he refused to divulge the whereabouts of a slave he helped escape and that's a noble character and one i embrace. so when i hear that term, it confound people and also -- if they're interested in learning more, i'm more than happy to tell them about the character. >> host: your title of your book you have probably gotten some response. >> guest: abso