it is true that we are friends, -- we are used to being rather uncivil with our friends, colleagues,tners and our adversaries abroad but nowadays i think we're more uncivil to one another than we are to the iranians or the north koreans. it is quite extraordinary, the way in which people come to town meetings with their congressmen and shout them down and call them fascists because they want to just talk about possibilities of pububc options, a more balanced and fair code than we currently have. it is discouraging to see so many americans who think citizenship means talk radio style polarized, angry polemics. i hope we get over that and can get back to an honest discussion about health care. that's only way we're going to see a public option and that's what we're going to have to have. tavis: howard dean on health care last night, what is your sense of this $100 billion that president obama has earmarked for education in the stimulus package. is that enough? is it being focused in the right way? your sense as a professor? your whole life dedicated to education, the state of education

which is a great comment not only on race relations but also what it means to be civilized and uncivilizedll of those readings go into a kind of hot and stew, then you have something to refer to. something to give things background against which you act. i find it works that way for me. >> what is the state of classics and reading now in our culture today? how would you describe it? run en >> it looks dismal. here is a very encouraging way to look at it. if you -- in percentages, probably fewer people study great books, classical books, classical -- certainly fewer people studying for, if you take in absolute numbers, we must exceed the renaissance by a factor of 100. so actually, there are more people now in

white house spokesperson robert gibs said we can discuss these issues without being uncivilized. >> reporter: snapshots from the health care debate. in michigan. >> i want to answer to the question. is the money coming out of my paycheck? >> reporter: in georgia. >> they decideder we're just stupid. >> reporter: in florida -- >> i don't want the government to do it for me. >> reporter: after people were told they can only submit written questions, a town hall meeting with a michigan congressman got ugly. >> i have a question for this young man. i have a question for this young man. >> reporter: the man refused to sit down, so he and his wheelchair bound son were ejected by the police we tried to get a sense of what's going on at these town hall meetings and who's showing up. >> it's health insurance and who's paying for it? >> i don't like it. >> reporter: most of these people don't like the democratic health care plan, they're not happy with republicans, either. >> let me ask this question -- how many people here think democrats spend too much money? >> how many people here think republican

. >> we can discuss these issues without being uncivilized. it's the same thing i tell my six-year-old. >> reporter: to give an idea of just how nasty this battle over health care reform has become, capitol hill police say they are now investigating a possible death threat by a constituent against a democratic congressman from north korea. north california. >> chip reid in washington, chip thank you. now to the h1n1 flu virus, and concerns it could be stronger than ever this fall. it has hit the young in this country especially hard. at least 100 people 24 and under have died, and with 55 million children set to start school next week, federal health officials put out guidelines today for protecting them. dr. jon lapook has more. >> reporter: with h1n1 expected to surge in the fall, veronica jiminez is back to school list includes kleenex, disinfecting solution and an extra dose of caution. >> she might look like a hypochondriac, but at the same time we're protecting them. >> reporter: today the centers for disease control issued new guideline

which is a great commentary not only on race relations but on what it means to be civilized or uncivilized. all those readings go into a kind of talk and stew and the moment it comes have something to refer to, something a review -- to give things background. .. >> someone gives a good example, and people start reading or someone makes a fine translati translation, and people start buying that. so it comes and goes. and i think, it packs a punch out of proportion to the number who do it. people who do it have some influence. not much, but it's not hopeless. >> all of eva brann's most recent books have been published by the philadelphia-based paul dry book. for more information visit pauldrybooks.com. >> random house has published a lot of well-known titles, including barack obama's two books from my father and the audacity of hope. vice president bides promises to keep worth fighting for by john mccains, sandra day o'connor, clarence thomas is biography, among others. and they have a new book out. and marcy purcell of random house wants to tell us about it. what is this book about? >> this

. >> we can discuss the issues without being uncivilized. it's the same thing i tell my 6- year-old. >> reporter: to give an idea of how nasty the battle has become,the capitol hill police are investigating a death threat against a congressman from north carolina. chip read, cbs news, the white house. >>> at a meeting on the eastern shore, a congressman was one of many democrats experiencing that anger firsthand. republican senator martinez made it officials saying he'll resign 16 months early. >> today, i'm announcing the decision to step down effective upon a successor to take over. >> reporter: he says that the decision will allow him to spend time with his family in florida and governor charlie crist is going to replace another replacement. >>> meanwhile, sonia sotomayor is hours away from becoming the first hispanic to sit on the support. she'll be sworn in at not just one, but two ceremonies. >> reporter: sonia sotomayor will be the first hispanic justice today. >> it's confirmed. >> reporter: she was confirmed by the senate two days a

they show how uncivil many of my fellow americans are. many of the outraged need to take an anger management class. but charles from dundalk writes, if you mean for obama care, then i would say they are effective. if you mean for the opponents, then yes. more responses on the "late edition" at 11:00. >> president obama hits the road to sell his plan. encountering friendly crowds. but one senator did not. >> president obama begins a series of health care town halls. today focusing on preventing insurance companies from denying coverage because of preexisting conditions. >> your health insurance should be there for you when it counts. not just when you are paying premiums. but when you actually get sick. >> the president defended a government run option to a mostly friendly crowd. outside supporters and opponents of reform lined opposite sides of the street. critics argue foda slower approach to the health care overhaul. >> we are out here and to show our objection ons to this fast-track approach to reforming health care system that is work

. >> >> i am not encouraging all of this, and the only uncivility that has happened occurred after obamaseiu to places like melville outside st. louis and other places, so these people get it in their template that i'm causing this and that the republicans are going to blow it. let's be polite. let's not make them think that we are what they lie about us being all the time. let's be civil and let's be quiet. that's how we got the stimulus bill. bret: mort. >> i call that disparagement of civility what he was just doing. listen, i quote rush him baw on previous occasions. adolf hitler like was also called the messiah. if al qaeda wants to demolish america as we know and love it, then they better hurry, because obama is beating them to it. bret: was he telling them to scream and interrupt? >> he regards these people who disrupt are the meetings -- bret: couldn't you just say they are freerful and upset? >> yes, some of them are. why are they fearful? because people like rush limbaugh are telling them that rush limbaugh will rule like the nazis. they are freerful that the government will ta

to these ludicrous, historical comparisons, and really creating what can only be described as an uncivilized debate. >> what was the whole thing for the last two or three cycles from the republicans was if you vote democratic you'll die because of terrorism. that one seems to have waned and now it seems to be if you vote democratic you'll die because of health care reform. which begs this larger question. the op-ed in "the washington post" today, if the republican party and others were actively shilling for the health care industry, knowingly inciting a dissatisfied portion of the american public towards violence with propaganda, knowing it's never going to be vetted or checked by people who want to believe this, who need an excuse to get riled up and perhaps actually violently angry, how is that different than what hamas or hezbollah does? how are these people not political terrorists? >> well, i don't like comparing people to terrorists or nazis. that's what the other side's doing right now, comparing obama to being a nazi. but i would say that this is incitement. and that the history of i

i hope these days of the unfair and uncivil and undignified scwk scwk hearings are behind us. i hope our hearings are more respectful of the nominees, as was this hearing for judge sotomayor. she, herself, proclaimed she could not have received fairer treatment. and i appreciated her acknowledging the fairness and dignity of the process. i hope the thought crimes of yesterday have now become the foundation for a new bipartisan consensus; that the views that judge sotomayor affirmed at her hearing that we affirm both as republicans and democrats and the views judge sotomayor rejected, we rejected as both republicans and democrats. let me give an example of this new what appears to be a bipartisan consensus on appropriate judicial misany for philosophy.judge sotomayor saidt of the founders was set forth in the constitution. it is their words that are the most important aspect of judging. you follow what they said in their words and you apply it to the facts you are looking at. i can't think of a better expression of a modest and judicially restrained philosophy that i embrace th

some people think they're uncivil, some think it's a good argument.ominating the agenda as they hope to. i think one of their real problems, the inability of ted kennedy as he's recovering, his absence makes a big difference. this is a cause that's been his for almost four decades. he knows it better than most people in the senate and he has a way of bringing people together on an issue that few in the senate can rival. his absence i think makes it harder for the advocates of national health insurance to succeed. >> exactly. you really do feel his absence even though they say he's on the phone, it's not that easy to be on the phone and he's really challenged with this terrible battle. you wrote today about eunice kennedy -- it says so much about this family that even the less well-known members, eunice is fairly celebrated, they had contributed so much. some would say more than those in the political arena. >> i think both ted and eunice were affected by their sister, rosemary. eunice, she led this movement. one thing that people may forget is that sh

i hope these days of the unfair and uncivil and undignified scwk scwk hearings are behind us. i hope our hearings are more respectful of the nominees, as was this hearing for judge sotomayor. she, herself, proclaimed she could not have received fairer treatment. and i appreciated her acknowledging the fairness and dignity of the process. i hope the thought crimes of yesterday have now become the foundation for a new bipartisan consensus; that the views that judge sotomayor affirmed at her hearing that we affirm both as republicans and democrats and the views judge sotomayor rejected, we rejected as both republicans and democrats. let me give an example of this new what appears to be a bipartisan consensus on appropriate judicial misany for philosophy.judge sotomayor saidt of the founders was set forth in the constitution. it is their words that are the most important aspect of judging. you follow what they said in their words and you apply it to the facts you are looking at. i can't think of a better expression of a modest and judicially restrained philosophy that i embrace th

. >> you don't want to be civilized, i'll be uncivilized. >> i love that about you. >> this it is what, chris. excuse me. we'll switch. >> i'm kneading here. >> seasoning is very important so you don't want to forget the salt and pepper. >> erica, i'll get awe scoop when you come over. we have a minute left. >> i like to form it into a loaf like this. we're in a restaurant, meat loaf, we have a little presentation to it. underneath i am my own secret, caul fat is a lining but disappears. similar to bacon -- >> looks like webbing. it's incredible. >> you can do that "silence of the lambs" thing. so i've shaped the meatloaf. you want to put it in -- i have three slices of bacon to give it more flavor. >> of course. >> you roll it up in the fat and bay c bacon. make a nice package. i'm from texas we cook slow and low. once you make your package, put it on a baking sheet, put it in the oven at 250 until it's golden brown. this is what it should look like in the end. >> you are a weapon of mass production. >> now, i have an italian background. i like meatloaf and a little tomato sauce, high

these aren't civil discourses, these are uncivil actions. >> jim, that would never happen, would it? >> no. >> this is right out of the white house sheet yesterday. you read these things. come on, man, these people are upset. seniors are going to get hurt. government run health care. and you go on. >> so you're saying this is all spontaneous and a bunch of people coming out. >> you can say this is phony but we'll see how many of those lose next year, the blue dogs for the cap and trade and the stimulus. i have to tell you, buddy, this is more than just organized. there is some anger out there and it's shown in the numbers. the president's numbers are down. they're down because of health care. >> well we'll talk about the economy too, but i think you'll see it going back up. >> but when you talk about health care and the blue dogs, is there this level of disen shun that is being put out there and does it exist. >> you have 52 blue dogs and they represent one of every five democratic members of congress. this is a complex bill. you're changing one fifth of the economy almost. this is n

people became uncivil. i mean, we can't really sugar-coat this. one ripped a sign about rosa parks up. you were booed. you were cut off in mid speech. is this, in your view, honest fear and anger that we're seeing, not something that's cork straighted, and if so, has the president pushed health care reform too fast, senator? >> i don't think so. i mean, you know, when it's big and hard, congress has a tendency to kick the can down the road. and we can't afford to kick this can down the road. we need insurance reform for most of americans and they get that. i just think that there was just one little altercation that was between two people, where the passions flared for a minute. >> but -- let me interrupt you for a second, because also arlen specter also had a tough time and we also saw this also happen last week. so it's not being pushed down too fast, as you say, kicking the can down the road on health care. would you agree that -- that leaders in washington, like yourself, have not done a good enough job explaining it? because you are dealing w

we can discuss these issues without being a uncivilized.t is the same thing i tell my 6-year-old. >> but if they are not civil -- >> [unintelligible] [laughter] >> but if they are not civil, the stand up and fight them or shoot them down? >> i think the best advice would be to finish your answer -- i think the town hall meeting is always bigger than when one person asks a question. if you're asking me a question, the answer is for the benefit of everybody. continuing to discuss the issues that are important, ranging from health care to the economy to the war in afghanistan, i think those are things that are of great interest to the american people. asking a question of those who represent you in washington is a time-honored tradition. >> i am talking about people who are getting booed and shouted down a request to have to continue to talk to people about where you are on the issues. you may not convince the person who last four shots or boos or hollers. but town halls are not for the benefit of one individual? -- one individual questioner.

they fear, in fact, an unstable iraq, and it would rather have an uncivil kurdistan on its border withis going to be unstable, but they do not want to be that stable or that bribing and blossoming that it might actually start to act on its aspirations and become independent -- they do not want it to be that stable or that driving -- thriving. moreover, what the states also want, especially turkey again, is part of those resources. they want access to the oil and gas that lie in northern iraq inside the kurdistan region but also in the disputed territories. the fact of the matter is that while the kurdistan region does have oil and gas, the more south and west you go into the disputed territories and the closer you get to kirkuk in particular, the closer you get to oil and a larger quantity of the oil and gas. here, you have a map that shows the kurdistan region in the beige color -- is that the right color? then, you have the rest of iraq in white, and in between, you have a shade of light blue -- maybe that is the way you see it. for me, it is all white. that shows the disputed territ

uncivil, can you call some these protesters, impolite, yes, but not unamerican. freedoms were based on our ability to yell and scream and disagree. >> is there any difference if she is making the distinction that protests are not unamerican, but the fact that you are drowning the focus of the people who want information. >> is there a distinction? >> not for the people who you they are using their constitutional right. the defense is totalitarian. it's a bad connotation, she used a wrong word. >> some are resorting to doing teleconferencing and taking a look at what questions are going to be asked up front. they say it's a way of controlling the disruptions at the town hall meetings, is that controlling the disruptions or controlling the message. >> if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. show up, take your medicine. you got elected to the job, go stand up. >> is the focus of what is happening at the meetings, is it really about trying to understand or voice opinions about the plan, or is it now just a whole theater of -- are we getting away from what

i hope these days of the unfair and uncivil and undignified scwk scwk hearings are behind us. hope our hearings are more respectful of the nominees, as was this hearing for judge sotomayor. she, herself, proclaimed she could not have received fairer treatment. and i appreciated her acknowledging the fairness and dignity of the process. i hope the thought crimes of yesterday have now become the foundation for a new bipartisan consensus; that the views that judge sotomayor affirmed at her hearing that we affirm both as republicans and democrats and the views judge sotomayor rejected, we rejected as both republicans and democrats. let me give an example of this new what appears to be a bipartisan consensus on appropriate judicial misany for philosophy.judge sotomayor saidt of the founders was set forth in the constitution. it is their words that are the most important aspect of judging. you follow what they said in their words and you apply it to the facts you are looking at. i can't think of a better expression of a modest and judicially restrained philosophy that i embrace that

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i hope that these days of these unfair and uncivil and undignified judiciary committee hearings are behinds. i hope that our hearings are more respectful of the nominees as was this hearing for the judge. she said she could not have received more fair treatment and i appreciate her acknowledging the fairness and dignity of the process. i hope this has become the foundation for a new bipartisan consensus. that the views that the judge affirmed at her hearing, that we affirmed as republicans and democrats and the views that she rejected at her hearings, we rejected as both republicans and democrats. let me give an example of this bipartisan consensus now on a purported judicial philosophy for a nominee to the united states supreme court. the constitution. it is their words that are the most important aspect of judging. you follow what they said in their words and you apply it to the facts you are looking at. i can't think of a better expression of a modest and judicially restrained philosophy that i embrace that what judge sotomayor said at the hearing and both republicans and democrats appe

and two, given how uncivil the health reform debate is becoming through the town halls and all of that do you foresee that same environment happening when the immigration reform debate finally gets rolling next year? thank you. >> i'll leave number two to dan. number one on the aspects. one of the aspects of the guest worker program it really cushions u.s. employment from the ups and downs of the cycle. for instance, now, in the depth of this recession that you're in, you wouldn't expect employers to want many of these people. all right? but then in the boom, you'd expect them to want more. so, in fact, a good guest worker program smoothes out the ups and downs in employment for the legal residents of the united states. but i'll leave the -- >> well, just to emphasize that point. the by all accounts the number of illegal immigrants in the u.s. has actually gone down in the last couple of years which perfectly supports dr. dixon's point. about the civility of the debate, yes, the immigration debate needs a good dose of civility. it's a -- you know, i tell people when the trade debate ge

and two, given how uncivil the health reform debate is coming through the town halls and awful of that do you perceive that same environment happening when the immigration reform debate finally gets rolling next year? thank you. >> i'll leave number two to dan. number one, on the cyclical aspect, one of the things about a guest worker program is that it really cushions u.s. employment from the ups and downs of the cycle. for instance, now, in the depths of this recession that you're in, you wouldn't expect employers to want many of these people. all right? but then in the boom, you would expect them to want more. so in fact, a good guest worker program smooths out the ups and downs in employment for the legal residents of the united states. but i'll leave the political -- >> just emphasizing that point, by all accounts, the number of illegal immigrants in the u.s. has actually gone down in the last couple years. which perfectly supports dr. dixon's point. about the civility of the debate, yes. the immigration debate needs a good dose of civility. it's a very -- you know, i tell people