now, hughes' first appointment as justice was quite uncontentious. his second one was almost the beginning of the contentions within the appointments process. it occurred fairly soon after new rules about senate debate on nominees and it garnered a lot of criticism from progressives, actually, surprisingly, given his career as governor of new york. >> we are, as you can see on the plaza of the supreme court. beautiful early october night here. we'll be here for two hours tonight in the contender series, 14 men who ran for the presidency and lost. but changed political history. and charles evans hughes, made his mark through his many positions but particularly in his role as the chief justice and then a second half of the program we'll focus on the whole contentious era with the court backing and the new deal and he was at the helm in the court during that period and interesting things to talk with you. later on we'll open up the phone lines as we've done for each of the programs and offer questions and observations during the discussion. where was th