three days later, it comes back mark marked as undeliverable. then, the tax collector sent it to the old address. but we know it happened that time. that notice came back to the tax collector's office and when that happens, the tax collector must, under law, under constitutional law, under public policy and under common sense take additional steps to notify the property owner before selling the property, but the tax collector did nothing. now, the law, as i said is the easy part here. it's not complicated. the supreme court has ruled and california courts have ruled just as well that if the tax collector has reason to believe that the notice didn't reach the property owners, he's got to do something more. this is true even if the property owner failed to keep his mailing address up to date with the tax collector. here's what the supreme court said in jones versus flowers: quote, we hold when mailed a notice of a tax sale is returned unclaimed the state must take additional reasonable steps to notify the property owner before selling his property

code says you're supposed to do for these sales, but then, they got the letter back that said undeliverable. that imposes on them a burden to do something more to make sure that that particular property owner gets notice, whether it's posting the property, which would have been incredibly simple here, whether it's researching as i showed you all the policies from the other counties, researching for a better address. that would have been quite simple here. that is the burden that they have before they can sell someone's property. >>supervisor kim: dow thi youk it's practical for the treasurer's notice in the city, 600 lots, some underwater and other cliffs. >> i don't think the wyattest thing to do for an underwater lot is posted, but i do think they're responsible to make sure that that property owner is notified. today, come on. today, let's compare what the tax code requires: an ad in the local paper versus the internet age we're living in? it's just antiquated. nobody who doesn't know that they paid their taxes is going to look at the san francisco examiner in the fine print to see if ge

and then, relative to the reasonableness standard, can you tell us, once it came back as undeliverable, what additional steps you or your staff took to attempt to have -- make contact with the owner? >> sure. we rely on state law and state controller's procedural manual. we posted -- we published the list of auction items in the paper, and we made it available on our website, and we brought it here to the board of supervisors in a public hearing, with the entire list of parcels, and -- and those were the items that were available to do at that time. what i think we've learned since then is we certainly could have taken these hundreds and hundreds of vacant lots and timeshares and done more work to find out more. there's actually a procedure that we're familiar with through our debt collection site of our shop called skiptracing that actually broadens out a search and looks for more information related to either debtors or property owners. certainly, if we had done that at that time, we would have identify the presidio terrace association address. but certainly, we wouldn't do something

promise marked undeliverable. >> without objection. >> and, look, this is serious business, and it deserved a process that quite frankly was more respectful than the one we're following here and this is more than just about a press release so that my republican friends can say they passed something. this has long-term consequences. and the technical fixes to this bill will probably be hundred's pages more when all is said and done. and that just shows that a lousy process usually results in a lousy product. we should have done this more carefully motion deliberately, should have been done in a bipartisan way, and at a minimum should have been hearings 0 where all these different proposals, which of which we're just learn about over the weekend added at the last minutes could have been vetted. so, please, spare us the compliments about the process. this process is lousy. and it is indefensible, and you can jam through a bill like this if you want because you control the house and the senate. but please don't defend this as some sort of process that is open and fair and deliberate because it'

it is undeliverable. >> there is search is certainlyt to spread more uncertainty -- >> but if there wasn'twould be nothing to use. >> you can look at what happened after the president made the tweets, the number of career government officials from both sides of the aisle who came to his defense. >> there is nothing -- they 1450 be in the position they are in and with -- they needed an insurance policy in case this guy gets in? your eyebrows aren't raised? >> if you dig down, they were on both sides of the political aisle. and those people are out but it does spread a cloud of uncertainty which is the president's allies will use to cast aspiratiersions across the broader investigations >> and i want you to weigh in on north korea 2018 >> keep an eye on it we haven't talked about that a lot recently i think that it is very important to continue to watch china, continue to watch the diplomatic efforts at the u.n. with nikki haley there is a lot of generals i think who are being reported as some not necessarily frightening, but interesting things about what they fear is on the horizon >> rex t