fdic 2015 study showed that 25% of the people in this country are either unbanked or underbanked. how do we solve that problem? how do those folks have access to credit? the cfpb is not trying to regulate, they're trying to destroy small dollar lending market. with that, mr. chairman, i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from minnesota is recognized. mr. ellison: let's be clear. to get a payday loan you have to have a bank account and a job. we're not talking about the unbanked. we're talking about people who run into a short-term financial crisis, they go to a payday lender but the amount of the fees that are so high that they've got to borrow money to pay the money back and end up getting in a cycle of six to 10 loans that they have to continue to take out which drains money from their finances. they lose bank accounts because of payday loans. , 're saying, let the cfpb allow the regulatory process, the rule making process to go forward. let's not chop it off. let's not stop it. let's see what we can find out. like people in my distr