that yes there are some very disaffected alienating quite very clever people out that from the underclasses who are incredibly bitter about the lack of opportunity and name credibly ambitious well i teach and i have talked to disaffected a united teenagers who are very clever and they realise that you know actually realistically opportunity is there for them are very limited for example and what they're facing so they go to university they're facing the mountains of debt they want to get a good job in journalism or law they don't have the parental support that richer people have they don't have the sort of networks that david cameron and his have said was to blame for the thirty forty years ago the vast majority of working class people working factories weren't may now mechanization technology means what modern western societies are dealing with. a large room of people who are not actually needed for work you have to generate some sort of enterprise culture and that is a real problem for us to sneer we've got a lot of people on welfare. how do you deal with that obviously you need to. you n

need to look at how the police are behaving they need to improve perhaps certain things within underclass in school they need to look at parenting moves we never personally in this country be not well governed and we again have this adversarial system that hasn't actually served us that well. you have these chopping and changing of policy there's nothing seen through in any kind of long term basis there's no consensus about education health whatever you know it seems that the government's wanting to come down very tough on the court ronson handing out strict punishments and things will sort of effect do you think it will do more harm than good. and we know it won't work i mean again it's back to a kind of holding the scandinavian model of rehabilitation in finland in sweden in norway is the any serious way that you actually deal with these problems on a long term level but just buying them up in prison is where which are overcrowded and mooney's prisons are prime factors explain. to me sitting right in the english prison to sixty seven percent of these people go into prison they come out

problems in these communities this isn't the working class versus the rich class this is a whole underclass of kids who have never seen their parents go to work have children who see that the government you can give us everything we want a family breakdown no individual responsibility we've lost social entrepreneurship this is fifteen years of failed policies and we have seen the failure of policing here police don't know how to police anymore you can bet they know how to fill in forms you can bet they've been sisson city training but they don't know how to police and i object to the idea that when the police try to police it's violence it's not violence it's restoring law and order on our streets we shouldn't need a lot of living for it let's break that down and let's break that down into a couple of points in terms of what you're saying here saying these kids are grown up and so i'm assuming that you're blaming this on the welfare state they're looking at parents who haven't worked and they're thinking of the government will take care of them but if that's the mindset that you have of you

there was a spark and it was a mob mentality this is pure lawlessness because there is a ton of underclass in britain who think there are not run if occasions for their actions and the government need to prove that there are there is no doubt about it that we have an underclass and it's not necessarily about social inequality britain if you look twenty years ago to now we are a very wealthy society in terms of economic freedom we're right at the top it same time there's a lot of inequality according to figures in two thousand and ten the richest ten percent of the population are a hundred times as wealthy as the chorus ten percent so there is a large disparity but what do those figures show you know twenty years ago we were poorer than we are today it is total socialist mantra that we've rather see the poor poorer the rich richer who really cares how rich the rich are we care about how much wealth the reason society our jobs. other however we have a ton of families in the u.k. now where parents are essentially paid to stay at home the government is saying you know what we're going to give

the united states or in canada that underclass is more distinct from the middle class and so you see so many people who are willing to come out and commit acts of violence and thievery in the streets but in the united states it seems like they they they're able to somehow least convince us that we're all lumped together in that middle class is that separation happening here is that separation happened in canada or other industrialized countries where we're seeing a lot of might be a risk. i think it is a risk and one of the things that we've really seen over these last six to twelve months adam is the degree to which food prices are related to social unrest we saw this in india when the great price of wheat going up considerably and we're seeing this in the u.k. so in the u.k. food prices have risen three times more than the g seven average when you're on a fixed income like you are in welfare or unemployment and remember one out of five young men under the age of twenty five in the u.k. is unemployed and so you have a big problem food prices going up you've got fixed income and then

we have a more broken and serious underclass right now. so on all of those dimensions, we have a pressure cooker in the united states. it hasn't exploded that way, but it is a real pressure cooker and, of course, legitimacy of government is at a historic low ebb right now in the united states, very dramatic. >> what do you think happens in united states? >> the president has put himself in a very tough position, hyping this speech in september about jobs. i would be shocked if there's anything he can articulate that could get politically past the congress that would make a significant debt in the american employment picture between now and the election. i don't think those tools are available to put into play. >> i think it is all about jobs and it's all about growth. we've been so preoccupied with debt. really the solution is growth. how do you get there? i'd like to see the pendulum swing back to the private sector because they're sitting on $2.5 trillion in capital in the u.s. i think obama could get closer to business, the right kind o

(laughter) and as bookstores fall, jon, american will be inundated with a wandering snarky underclass of unemployable purveyors of useless and arcane esoterica. >> jon: i'm not sure i understand. >> no, well, you wouldn't. (laughter) >> jon: you seem to hate bookstore employees. >> oh, i loathe them, jon. they shove my books under humor, not witticism as i asked! do i look like "marpl duke" to you? (laughter) >> jon: marmaduke is a very big dog." (laughs) >> pathetic. we have to face facts, jon, the big box bookstore has passed into history. not something we should embrace and be proud of by preserving borders as a popular historical attraction. >> jon: like colonial williamsburg. >> exactly. bring the kids down to ye olde borderstown. let them see what it felt like to paw through a clearance bin of calendar or sneak a peek at pornography printed on actual paper on the giant rack of weird magazines you've never heard of. including my personal favorite "bookstore magazine rack aficionado magazine." >> jon: i think a bookstore preserve might appeal to a small market. >> can't be smaller

need to look at how the police are behaving they need to improve perhaps certain things with an underclass in school they need to look at parenting in those we never personally in this country be not well governed to me again have this adversarial system that hasn't actually served us that well. constantly have these chopping and changing of policy there's nothing that seen through in any kind of long term basis there's no consensus about education health whatever you know it seems that the government's going to come down very tough on those so-called rights and handing out strict punishments and things more sort of thing do you think will do more harm than good . and we know it well i mean again it's back to a kind of holding the scandinavian model of rehabilitation in finland in sweden in norway is the only serious way that you actually deal with these problems on the long term level but just banging them up in prison in this way which are overcrowded communities prisons are all prime factors they. consider this in the right in that it gave the president a sixty seven percent opinion and

is middle class and all that remains of the old working class is a sort of problematic fact with underclass and what we saw with these riots complicates it i think in a sense because it helps reinforce this i this is terrible in the class which is waiting you know which is not only lazy in fact with but also violent which is how the government and right wing commentators have been betraying their why is this a myth about the working classes how was it created and why the riots being blamed on them well i think what we saw in the 1980's in this country was an attack on a lot the pillars of working class britain industries that sustained a lot of communities and institutions trade unions council housing values which in communities were very strong like solidarity in favor of rugged individualism by the end of the eighty's there wasn't the same sense of being being able to be proud of being a working class everyone supposed to seem to become middle class you know that that's where aspiration means in britain so because of all that was what the working class became for trade in a very negative

in the underclasses it leads to st louis south ok well let's follow up on this on a word so we've got looting going on in both saks strata of society now the public has demanded something like sixteen thousand police to go into strains to stop this street looting where were they and demanding similar actions to stop the bank looting that hasn't happened and the a bomb administration has followed the bush policy is doing everything possible to prevent the public from targeting what it should be targeted the uli looters obama's famous statement to the big bankers in person was i am the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks now of course is not supposed to stand between the elite criminals and the justice system and none of us want pitchforks or at least not many of us want pitchforks we want good old fashioned prosecutions followed by jail time just as what happened in the savings and loan crisis where the justice department worked with the regulators and achieved more than one thousand felony convictions and more than ninety percent conviction rate and those are only the t

so no, the values crisis is not confined to a so-called underclass in britain. our whole country is held back by irresponsibility wherever it is found. it can only be solved by addressing the issues right across our society from bonuses to benefits. so the culture of our society does matter. and just as those on the left who dismiss arguments about culture are wrong so are those on the right who dismiss the importance of opportunity and hope. it's true, as some people say the people from comfortable background took part in the riots. a lack of opportunity cannot explain all of what happened. but come on, just because it can't explain everything it doesn't mean it can't explain anything. this is where a leader of the opposition needs to speak frankly. of course, not everyone who grows newspaper a deprived neighborhood turns to crime. just as not everyone who grows up in a rich neighborhood stays on the straight and narrow. individuals are responsible for their actions. and every individual has the choice between doing right and doing wrong. but there are connecti

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