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under the geneva convention. that is the case now and has been the case. it was the case when we were employing enhanced interrogation techniques under the bush administration. bush, 43rd. but they were using some semantics gymnastics to get around it saying water boarding is not torture. the president of the united states admitted that waterboarding, torture and enhanced interrogation are the same thing. he said it. the united states does not torture as a matter of law. that said, president trump said he believes it works. we don't know what he bases that on. he believes torture works, but that he will defer to his new defense secretary james mattis who says that he will not use it. further, john mccain has said if there's attempts to use torture, that john mccain and others would attempt to enact legislation to block the use of torture. using torture would be a problem for our allies around the world, none of which use torture. it's illegal for all of those countries and under international law would cause problems in working with other countries in counter terrorism, defense matters and so many things if the united states ha

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i am told, though, david, there is nothing under consideration right now at the white house for changing the rules on advanced interrogation techniquesr on those black sites. he is truly taking secretary mattis' sad rice. >> thank you. >>> this was wide ranging and nothing was off limits. the president also gave us a tour of the white house today. we walked to the oval office. the president telling us about the moment he received the nuclear codes. what that was like, and we asked him what h more than a million who marched in protest of this country. what he would say to the women, men and children who marched. he takes us into the oval office. the changes he has made, and the letter from president obama. our complete interview later tonight. donald trump, the white house interview. 10:00 p.m. eastern, right here on abc. >>> in the meantime, tonight werks turn next to your money. that barrier shattered tonight. the dow breaking the 20,000 mark for the first time. ending at 20,068, and that finish capping a 9% rise since election die ay. what is driving those numbers up and what does it mean for your 401 k? the president enjoying hear

cotton has said he agrees with trump's proposal to bring back torture techniques like waterboarding, which are currently illegal under and international law. >> do you agree with him that torture works and waterboarding and much worse would be a good idea? >> waterboarding isn't torture. we do waterboarding to our own soldiers in the military. >> that's in training. but the u.s. doesn't do it anymore. they've stopped. >> but we've done it in the past -- >> you think the u.s. should do a >> seth: radio djs? [ light laughter ] you're basing u.s. national security on what radio djs are okay with? and if waterboarding doesn't work we're going to hit isis with some prank calls! [ laughter ] trump has shown a consistent disregard for basic constitutional principles like due process, and he inherits enormous executive authority from president obama, which is why we need to be more vigilant now than ever. and the aclu has taken up that call, issuing a stern warning to trump after the election, quote, "should president-elect donald trump attempt to implement his unconstitutional campaign promises, we'll see him in court." wel

techniques at the time. you were following guidance from the justice department under george w. bush. it was very controversial. you saw the fallout on the agency from all of that. your view now about the techniques and torture and having the president of the united states use the t word, be that -- i mean, he wasn't even using a euphemism saying he thinks it works but will abide by the law. >> well, first of all, the fallout was significant, and it including falling out on me among other people about the legal side of the original problem. i continue to believe looking back at the time -- at the time, the program was legal. and as implemented and carried out, the enhanced interrogation techniques were effective in eliciting vital information. so that hasn't changed. >> that hasn't changed. that of course was disputed by the senate intelligence report. and that was very controversial. but what about what's happening now? do you now think that -- well what's your reaction to president trump and what he said last night? >> well, it was startling, to say the least, to watch words come out

under controlled conditions. i don't want to compare what i went through to actual enhanced interrogation techniques. the point there is a gray area. congress needs to step in to define what is and is not against the law. a lot of people, well-intentioned patetry tick americans working for the cia and other intelligence agencies. they were told to use enhanced interrogation techniques and after change of administration they were threatened with prosecution. david: that is interesting point, whether lawyers running wars in the future. going back to george w. bush, when the lawyers prevented him from taking certain actions that might have killed osama bin laden years ago, shortly after 9/11, are we entering a new era where that might not happen now? we're in fact looking i believe i see donald trump our president in that room. go ahead and answer the question quickly. >> we don't want lawyers determining how we fight wars. the way around that for congress to stand up to its constitutional responsibility and define separation of powers and what is and is not legal. you don't have lawyers running the war

therefore, this program has been under scrutiny and therefore the cia is probably trying to change their techniques for a decade so they can prevent deter attacks without the enhanced interrogation program. >> and here i thought it would be the judge to invoke -- we do have the points that kati made that a number of former directors of cia have endorsed these techniques, whatever label one places on them. in fact, president trump over the past few days have been very critical of the outgoing cia director, john brennan, including him him of leaking, the nazi leadership in world war ii. what appeared to be one area where donald trump and john brennan find common ground. here is john brennan. >> it is our considered view that the detainees that were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and was used in the ultimate operation to go against bin laden. >> it not only is he saying these techniques work, they will lead us to one of the great triumphs in the world are on terror. the killing of osama bin laden. >> i recognize the greatness of that triumph but it

>> under the bush separation terrible things happened at these black sites the bush administration called them enhanced interrogation techniques, many of us called them torture techniques, but that's not necessarily what needs to happen. in the event that these black sites are reopened and president trump could reopen them with the stroke of a pen cia officers would have to care them out according to the letter of the law and what is delineated in the field manual is what is perm permitt permitted. the cia is affect an extraordinary rendition and send them to third countries where they actually do torture. >> depending on what could change last question that these men and women in the field would comply. >> oh, i'm confident they will not comply, we know from the senatoru senate torture report went back to -- which is a career ending move, and some actually resigned. i think if ordered to carry out torture program today would simply walk away or refuse to do it. >> thank you very much. more on president trump and the president of mexico called mutually calling off the meeting for this meeting over the border wall. also backlas

under president obama. as director of the cia, you gave the order to close the black site prisons. mr. trump is reviewing those black sites and enhanced interrogation techniques, or torture. do you think that would be good ?or america' site.don't need a black we don't need to use and -- use enhanced interrogation to get the information required. general mattis believes that. others in the intelligence business believe that. the fbi believes that. i think it would be a mistake. damaging to our view to the rest of the world. >> he was surprised general enhancedes not think interrogation techniques, torture, works. he has spoken to people in the intelligence community and the last 24-hours with a different opinion, and he is leaving it on the table. what you make of these differences of opinion? >> it is hard to know what is going on within the president's mind. he has talked about going back to torture. but, i think that a lot of people regard that as not only a violation of our values in this country, but a violation of the constitution. i think it would be a mistake to even raise the possibility that we would go back to those methods. the reality is that we h

techniques. does torture work? >> be clear, torture violates federal statutes. the appropriate question is if you put someone underet about waterboarding, how about sleep deprivatiodeprivati people give you information over time under duress, yes. they lie as well just as they would lie if you didn't subject them to deprivation. we found information that was not only valuable but critical. >> i don't think the president himself said torture. he said he asked people at the highest levels if torture works and they said yes. for accuracy's sake. in terms of waterboarding, it's outlawed now, what would bringing it back mean? what would be possible? >> i don't think it would be. a couple things. i don't think the president understands there are multiple layers to consult. we talked about congress, including members of his own party saying no. if you're at the cia, you want a pile of paper six feet high before you consider it. what does the justice department say? does it comply with u.s. haw? then the new cia director, mike pompeo, you have to say not only are you willing to do but willing to subject your people to wha

been supportive of the use seven pans interrogation techniques, that president obama has continually with the interrogation and program can you say under current law which limits interrogation to the army field manual that you would comply with at law and the bus cia is out of the enhanced interrogation business quick. >> you have rifle cooperation senator. >>. >> i want to follow up as the director and you are very familiar with the changes with the freedom act so what changes to that law encourages did ministrations to see it, if any quick. >> and i will look to the experts outside and if i conclude there needs to be changes to the usa freedom act will bring them to you with the full expectation you will consider them fairly and that there was a similar briefing on the house side were you a part of that and do you feel with what you know, today that the surveillance that needs to be done is under that structure to protect innocent americans from unnecessary intrusion greg. >> i do not have the complete briefing. >> moving over to the j.p. c. awaited day before your nominated to be the director youssef dilatory to going over the iran

techniques. >> spoke with them, yes. >> does torture work? >> to be clear, torture violates federal statutes. if you put someone under forget about water boarding, sleep def riffation, something we used more often. do people give you information over days and weeks when they're under tremendous duress? the answer is yes. they would lie if you didn't subject them to deprivation. so we found information i thought was not only valuable, but critical in the fight. >> he said he asked people at the highest level if torture works and they said yes. so in terms of water boarding, is that something -- it's outlawed now. >> yeah. >> what would bringing it back mean? would it even be possible? >> i don't think it would be. a couple things. first, you gotta understand, i don't think the president understands this, there are multiple layers to consult, including members of his own party saying "no." if you're at the cia, you want a pile of papers six feet high before you even consider this. number one, what does the department of justice say? does it comply with u.s. law? then you've got to go to pompeo and say, not only are you

under the proposals, john delanie had creative ideas on this front. it's about leveraging that public dollar with the private dollar and putting those together and using techniques that private equity and wall street have done historically, looking at international players, things that have happened and great britain as well as hong kong where you leverage those dollars together and that could give us an opportunity to stretch out those public dollars. >> it's about -- it is about leveraging and if you take a look, there's european investment bank. that's an infrastructure bank. the asians now have an infrastructure bank and instead of -- this was coverage administration -- >> but i think you said something earlier which is important. look, the federal government seems to have no problem raising money. it's kind of extraordinary how much the treasury has been able to raise very low interest rates, so one can argue about the best way to finance infrastructure, but it seemed to me the most significant point you made was that whatever you think of leveraging, it's important to have some way of setting priorities so it just doesn't end up to be who happens to be --

under law b but traditionally they check with ir that political masters, their bosses at the white house. that happened when i worked at the cia and senate intelligence committee was investigating techniques. we had a lot of dialogue and some tension between the white house and cia. this investigation is going to cause a lot of people to have meetings, discussions and maybe tensions over whether the cia under a trump administration will cooperate with the investigation. >> jeremy, can the trump white house, or the trump white house counsel or the president himself order the cia not to comply with a senate subpoena in a case like this? >> that would be very dangerous. it would be very risky. i don't think the cia leadership would abide that. the requirements of the law are that under the 1947 national security act the intelligence committee has the right to get any material that is in the possession of the agency. it would be treading on thin legal ice for the white house to do it. but the reality is that the cia works for the president. the white house is involved in discussions about what the spell jens community turns over to the congress. sometimes it's for a political reason. sometime

techniques, split from trump on his campaign promise to bring back waterboarding. >> would i approve waterboarding? you bet your ass i'd approve it. >> can you commit to this committee that underaw, which limits interrogation to the army field manual, that you will comply with that law and that the cia is out of the enhanced interrogation business? >> yes. you have my full commitment to that, senator hunter. >> reporter: next week will also be very busy with hearings on tuesday, ryan zinke goes before a committee for interior secretary. betsy de vos for education secretary on tuesday as well. wednesday there will be at least three hearings. we know wilbur ross for commerce secretary will face a committee. we know scott pruitt, epa administrator nominee also has his hearing. and nikki haley for the u.n. ambassador post. there are still three posts that have not been scheduled yet for treasury, health and human secretaries nominee as well as labor. so we don't know the dates of those hearings yet. back to you. anderson? >> pam brown, thanks. just ahead, president obama gives vice president joe biden a surprise sendoff. and as you'll see, it's kind of a real tearjerker. microsoft

under obama and bush and i don't know what the deal is with the holdup on pompeo given his credentials, they are pretty impressive and he spoke to the concerns people have about the interrogation techniquese man said he's going to follow law and come to congress if he thinks there should be a change, not a big deal. it's interesting because there's been so much foyer between cia and trump that on the other side a respected veteran is coming out and saying, look, let's get this moving, the national security operation is important. >> northern because general hayden has been very critical of the new president and donald trump and stepping him with him here. mounting pressure on the new administration to kick its personnel search into the higher gear. many of the two, three and four jobs of the cabinet agencies remain unfilled and it's those positions that have giant influence over day-to-day white house operations. the administration promises a stream of steady announcements in the days ahead and team trump is having a hard time, the number two department at treasury. wall street veteran steve mnuchin support president's choice for a top job and mnuchin is hooking for a washington hand has

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