we wouldn't have nearly 40 million americans, either unemployed or underedmployed. and we'd have a far better fiscal situation. by endeavoring in any way to take dollars that would be put into the engine of growth and prosperity that pays for everything the federal government does which is private interprice we would be choking further, what we need to grow right now. right now the folks that pay our federal employees salaries net $50,000 in the hole in national debt. nearly over 100,000 per taxpayer. that's unconscionable and that's why we're asking our employees, unfortunately and with sorrow, to make a sacrifice. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. the next item is president's proposal -- >> chairman, just a couple. two or three minutes left so i'll just make one point here. we're talking about the discretionary spending. the budget control act, the debt control act, cut discretionary spending $2 trillion. that's half then and then half -- $2 trillion discretionary spending. we had already cut it $2 trillion. i supported a freeze on congressional pay