i trace how we see that in his personal rise, how it underguarded his politics and policies. everything important including his opposition to slavery. what lessons can we learn from that in a country that i believe is experiencing a crisis. >> how is that opportunity principle then form and get formed by the civil war? >> well, he really had two big, grand economic and social ambitions. going right back to when he grew up. he grew up a blighted -- i shouldn't say blighted, limited, rustic economy. he. s to blow that up through canals, railroads, steam boats, things that connect those backwoods to the markets so we have a more diverse economy where people with diverse interests and tall ens have various ways to rise. the other element of it is opposition to slavery. obviously, it blights the opportunity of an entire class of people by definition and also blights the opportunity of poor whites in south who can't compete with the plantations that have the advantage, the brutal and horrible advantage of being anyone to used forced gang labor, which is awful, but is highly efficie