and, you know, the associate degrees, they really have underinvested in education. it's very bad.they probably spent too much money bailing out the e.u. and east germany. they haven't put enough into their schools, and it's a terrible, terrible thing. but what is interesting about it is that they are the, you know, by god, they are the most competitive, you know, high-wage, developed country in the world today. i mean, they're -- here's barack obama, you know, getting out there saying how are we going to be competitive in the world, it's education, education, education. well, let's look at the model of the country that's the most competitive. whatever the secret of the german success is, it ain't education because they're not doing it on the scale they are or should. that tells you something about the role of education in making a country competitive in the world economy, and it tells you something about the democratic party whose only strategy for raising people up and becoming more competitive is education. look at germany. that is -- there are all sorts of reasons to push educa