so whether not how much that would account for the 46 point underperformance atchison issue. the third point has to do with --. my basic question is, is there an opportunity cost adding convertibles to the equity portfolio? uncomfortable with that however this is -- individual performance issue. report talks about the employment to our stock ratio based on a being does however i am wondering how this manager is doing relative to peers. there deliberately different from -- but i am wondering about the performance of this particular manager. this is too much consistency of underperformance but from the market. so, this is the wrong period perhaps to answer that question. oakley the june 30 period ending, then asked for more detail just petition pertaining --. >> will wait till then >> i would tell them but am asking us to be ready for that because of not the way till september for the answer. >> look at the data and please share with any members of the board would like to know to connect this consistency issue here is what i want to ship will be ready. >> thank you. >> any othe