i'm wondering if you could speak more to this underrepresentation.i have spoken to some people about it. i plan to do more and other public interest side. i'm wondering if you have spoken to lobbyist that have represented corporations and those who have an interest in the public interest. >> you know, that is a really loaded question. >> i think that there are 15 or 20 questions in there. so i will -- my concern with the underrepresented is that they have fewer resources and they have fewer lobbyists. i think that is what you are coming to in your comments. when i wrote the book on lobbying and policy change, which is a more technical book on this, one of the findings out of this book includes interviewing people on all sides of the issue and following them over four years. asking people who are involved, lobbyists and members of government who are the most important interest groups on those issues. the interesting thing is that even though businesses and trade associations and anything that is related to the business world, even though that is true,

and so i'm wondering if you can speak more to this underrepresentation. i've considered lobbying, i've spoken to some people about it. they say i'm selling my soul. but i plan to do more of the public interest side. and so i'm wondering if you have spoken to lobbyists who represent corporations, but they also have an interest in serving the public interest. >> you know, that's a really loaded question so, beth, when you get through, i want a piece of of that answer. [laughter] >> well, i don't know, i think there are 15 or 20 questions in there, so i will -- my concern with the underrepresented is that they have fewer resources, and so they have fewer lobbyists. so i think that's what you're coming from. i will tell you that, very interestingly, when i wrote "lobbying and policy change" which is with my co-authors a more technical book, let's say, on this than this particular one, one of the findings out of that book, so we took a hundred randomly-selected issues in washington, and we interviewed people on all sides of thoseish issues, and we followed the

the poll's underrepresentation of the eastern and pacific time zones, the questions regarding respondentsd lines listed in residential telephone directors joining us is visiting scholar at the institute for public knowledge eric base. eric, you can literally map the shortcomings to what is the mitt romney base, which is to say older voters, who have land lines, who live in the middle of the country action and bhor probably white. >> that's right. this is actually a part of a trend in polls, as voters have moved to cell phone. it's hard for the national polls agencies to adapt to that. gallup has been the most conservative. i think that caught up with them,ç where the conservatism the people it was polling sort of sin sync the up. there are not only regions, but regions within regions. that's essentially what they were doing by leaving out some of the time zones while focusing on the regions. >> governor, you are a campaign strategist par excellence, and we've been seen a lot of these post mortems. specifically, do you think the gop has really learned from 2012? i mean, we had news out ye

school of law, and my question relates to the conversation or the statement you made about underrepresentation of public interest groups, and when you were talking about earlier the public has a bad perception of lobbyists, i think that is because the public respects and supports public interest groups and those groups are not represented. i think in the way -- okay, let me -- corporations are represented, and it seems that on the hill that they have a fair amount of positive legislation their way, the corporations, and groups like miss stewart's group, i greatly respect. i think that's a very important issue. however, i mostly just see her, bless her heart, i think it's an issue that needs to have more people support it... my concern would be underrepresented is that they have fewer resources and so they have fewer lobbyists so i think that is what you are coming from. i will tell you that. and shersinger when i wrote lobbying and policy change with my co-authors and more technical book let's say on this and this particular 11 of the findings out of that book, so we took 100 randomly selected

>> well, we don't believe that demographics are the key to underrepresentation of critical mass. >> no -- putting aside -- i don't -- i'm not going to quarrel with you that if demographics alone were being used, i would be somewhat concerned. but you can't seriously suggest that demographics aren't a factor to be looked at in combination with how isolated or not isolated your student body is actually reporting itself to feel? >> well, i think if you start to split out subgroups of minorities, you mistake i think what i think is the proper thrust of grutter, or at least ought to be. >> it might be -- it might be insulting to some to be thrown into a pot. >> why -- why don't you seriously suggest that? why don't you seriously suggest that demographic -- that the demographic makeup of the state has nothing to do with whether somebody feels isolated, that if you're in a state that is only 1 percent black that doesn't mean that you're not isolated so long as there's 1 percent in the class? >> certainly -- racial balance >> i wish you would take that position, because it seems to me right. >

>> well, we don't believe that demographics are the key to underrepresentation of critical mass. >> no -- putting aside -- i don't -- i'm not going to quarrel with you that if demographics alone were being used, i would be somewhat concerned. but you can't seriously suggest that demographics aren't a factor to be looked at in combination with how isolated or not isolated your student body is actually reporting itself to feel? >> well, i think if you start to split out subgroups of minorities, you mistake i think what i think is the proper thrust of grutter, or at least ought to be. >> it might be -- it might be insulting to some to be thrown into a pot. >> why -- why don't you seriously suggest that? why don't you seriously suggest that demographic -- that the demographic makeup of the state has nothing to do with whether somebody feels isolated, that if you're in a state that is only 1 percent black that doesn't mean that you're not isolated so long as there's 1 percent in the class? >> certainly -- racial balance >> i wish you would take that position, because it seems to me right. >