get a better treatment than people that rely on public defenders who are so overworked and so underresourcedhat i've seen, that's the difference. at the federal level, i dealt with the organized crime program of the fbi which i ran for five years. when those gangsters walk into court, they also had tremendous legal representation and even though we were able to get the convictions we got, the federal system doesn't see this happen to the great extent that the state and local systems do. >> more of a socioeconomic factor. >> one issue that i think underlines how interrelated these things are, one thing that happened here in new york just a couple of weeks ago is the city decided they are going to effectively stop making arrests for small amounts of marijuana. marijuana arrests are a major civil rights issue in this country because african-americans in new york and elsewhere are arrested with small quantities of marijuana in disproportionate numbers. they usually don't go to prison. but they do get an arrest record, which makes it harder to get a job. so that, i think, is one area where actual