i'm trying to understand because i don't feel that i have enough information in front of me to understand exactly what happened, what is the difference between then and now, number one. number two, in terms of the minimum staffing requirement, does the overtime that is being requested exceed the overtime that has been issued over the course of what is required for the minimum staffing requirement? and has that been looked at by your office? >> supervisor farrell: ms. campbell first. >> i'll respond to the supplemental appropriation. we based our numbers on the reasonably expected increases over the end of the year. >> based on minimum staffing requirements? >> looking at supplemental we were looking at the average spending per pay period per overtime, accounting for the fact that there were holidays coming up between that day and the end of the year. >> supervisor breed: i want to be clear. you don't take into account minimum staffing requirement so that over time does not exceed the minimum staffing requirement? >> yes we did. we looked at the number of ftes the expositions they have to

>> my biggest problem is i just don't understand, i just don't understand what that means. it just does not make any sense to me. and i'm looking at this report, and i have reviewed the report, and i feel like the budget analyst is saying, one thing that i do understand, and the da's office is saying something that i don't understand. and it makes sense in terms of what the projection is, based on the salaries, and based on the full staffing and based on what we have over all for the district attorney office. and what i'm saying in terms of if there is a concern for the future, if there was a mistake that was made, which i don't necessarily see or i don't have a clear understanding for the basis of the mistake, then there are positions that have been approved and were obligated as a city to pay for those positions. and i am not seeing or i am not hearing exactly what this means, and operating it as a deficit sounds, so for example, there is potentially an overage for this current fiscal year from the supplemental that was provided to the district attorney's office. and ther

it is the case that sba works with these organizations to try to help small businesses understand how to get credit and fine tools to be able to do that. sba programs cover a wide range, and i will talk about this range of lending and the kinds of things we do, but in many ways, we do not do it alone. we do it with partners, and that is the takeaway message, the sba lending activity, while would guarantee loans through a number of lenders, we do it with a lot of other partners as well. let me give a little bit of a sense of what the small business administration does and is. we in san francisco covered the bay area and north coast counties, and we do a variety of things. i will come back to the credit card because i know that is what this session is about, but before i do that, there's two other roles we play that are important as well. one is about helping small businesses understand how to start businesses, getting good technical assistance, getting good advice about starting and managing your business. equally important is being prepared for credit. one of the things we tried to do

if i could see a map to have an understanding, i could understand what the impact is either way. i'm not sure i have a strong feeling about either number, but not being able to see what the impact is, i'm not sure i could make a decision. but i did want to ask -- did the board officially take a position via a resolution or is this an informal discussion? >> the board considers it at rules committee. >> okay. >> with the understanding that they were speaking on behalf of the board at that meeting. >> okay. and their position that this is the third column was the position that they took? >> essentially, yes. >> okay. and could you -- you know, honestly as a policy maker, i prefer one, one footage distance for all high schools. i just feel like there's fluidity amongst our schools and there are changes that happen, exactly what i explained before. co-location, kind of changes in open, closed campus policies. i know that wasn't one of the driving factors in the end, but i guess i'm having a hard time understanding the distinction between these seven schools and the other schools. for

we have to understand that. we have to understand that in order to maximize the efficiency and efficacious of that resource. this year we did a command of control exercise and we did a communications drill and we did them simultaneously. they were sort of related, sort of not. one was, we brought out the coms people and said, play, we set up 3 points around the city and said play, make this stuff connect. see if we can talk to each other. we had the national guard above us in a helicopter, even though it was really foggy, they didn't see much, but they demonstrated proof of concept that they can connect the video feed. we learned there are limitations in things

we have to understand that. we have to understand that in order to maximize the efficiency and efficacious of that resource. this year we did a command of control exercise and we did a communications drill and we did them simultaneously. they were sort of related, sort of not. one was, we brought out the coms people and said, play, we set up 3 points around the city and said play, make this stuff connect. see if we can talk to each other. we had the national guard above us in a helicopter, even though it was really foggy, they didn't see much, but they demonstrated proof of concept that they can connect the video feed. we learned there are limitations in things of band width and video feed that i'm not qualified to talk about, i'm strictly a push to talk guy. we know as a city when the earth moves, things fall, we get a lot of rubble. that's going to be one of our critical, critical things we have to do. we have to be able to move material and personnel and one of the ways we're going to be doing that is how do

the other is understanding the online/offline. we had alonzo coming in and speaking to us, they don't understand the impact, it's not enough for me to say we're going to do a workshop or a campaign, a poster thing, it's really about how do we change the culture of a community and a people and it's not just a one-off. >> what does it take? >> the thing about changing the environment again, changing the social norms, it helps to understand there are primarily about 5 different ways we can influence and warm the climate of a school or community, students being one, families and parents, staff, policies and young people themselves. if we can understand that strategickly, sort of get down out of the big conversation and look at ways how do we, as you said, educate the educators, make sure they receive the education and understand that relationships are as important as the classroom can urriculum, especially at the secondary level, continue to hammer out policies that are not so punitive but restore we want to connect to correct. we don

it's very important that my relief understands or any disca planner understands that c2 piece. second is understand the ics and then take the time to get the training. we put together a pretty robust training plan in preparation for this. we did the fema online course, eoc course at nasne, hadr course, trained with cal fire, take the time to take that training. it's tough to fit it in but it's important to fit it in and it will make us more effective. we did an exercise back in may in preparation for this and developed a pretty detailed concept of operations. we built load plan, timelines, spare parts lists, we really got into the weeds, thinking about the second and third tier effects, so i want my relief to understand that and i want him to know where that plan is so he can pull it right off the shelf if this ever happens and be ready to respond quickly instead of trying to figure this all out when we need to be getting underway. >> i'll boil mine down into just one, and that is i will pass to my relief to continue to support events like this and look for opportunities to con

you should understand that. you should understand that. you want an organization that will take care of your son and daughter when we turn them over to that organization or command. that is up to us to make sure we do that. it is up to us to make sure we do that. i want them to be proud of sending their sons and daughters in the army. that is what it should be. it is a great opportunity. the on know what the army gives to people, it gives all people, races, colors, financial backgrounds, the opportunity. it is up to us to make sure they understand that. and that we sustain that. that we do not get after this where we start having problems. i asked everybody to understand that. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> speakers included direct heirs of the army and international guard and the vice chief of the national guard bureau. the head of the bureau will provide opening remarks. join us monday live at 9:00 a.m. eastern. >> the c-span video library has reached a

so i understand that ms. ingram served as the commissioner of the tax exempt government exempt organizations, which is a level above the exempt organizations, and uncharted in my report. and she served in that capacity until somewhere around the spring or summer of 2010. >> so there was an overlap -- >> there was an overlap. at that point in time, she moved over to begin her work in running the affordable care act. >> let me ask you why you believe -- or why should the american he will be leave that the trust that is required and the american people on the implementation and enforcement of the affordable care act by an individual who is involved with the tax-exempt status entity of the irs -- why should they trust that individual? >> i would ask the american people to trust in the process that we are going through to make sure that we get into the bottom of this. , you understand that the process has violated that trust with the american people already, and candidly, my constituents come and i believe the vas

once we understand and have a better understanding of human behavior and we recognize that there is a much finer graduation that we can draw than this bright line, perhaps it will shift the line or start over. it's not all that consistent, inconsistent with the way to do things. >> i think it is inconsistent, so if you want an open debate, we have to open the debate. >> i would like to jump in at some point. >> go ahead. >> we have the two distributions. we have one distribution based on "free will or volitional control" which applies on the civil side and used to apply under the a.l.i. test and now we have a new distribution of being able to distinguish right from wrong. so now we have two completely different distributions that we're drawing that bright line on. >> competent versus volitional. we can decide that cognitive isn't sufficient, but it is the basis where we draw the line. sorry. >> ok. so to get back to the science, do you see how the research that you're doing and this imaging and identification of areas in the brain that may be part of primarily psychopathy which we're

and understand the problems and understand what is possible and not possible. and construction-wise. and you know, i think there is another commissioner okur ently serving who is an architect and who is, you know, very intelligent and very cap able. and he does not do work in san francisco he does work in other country and so on and so forth. so, i think that he has a good understanding of the historic preservation but he does not know the san francisco context as well as someone like me or david. and i think that it is in the public interest to keep it open to people like me. >> commissioner hur? >> mr. martinez are you saying that you would agree not to petition the specific commission on which you served the hpc? >> yes. yeah. >> and i mean like i said in the past four years i recused myself because my friends had projects butvy not had one that came to the chvc. >> you don't anticipate that. >> and i would not take it and i am fine with that for a year. >> additional question that i is that you work entirely alone. >> i used to have employees, you know. >>

they understand that substance abuse and mental health disorders are-is just another chronic illness or problem in the public health realm, and we want-as we move closer to health reform, we want the american public to understand that where we fit into overall health and general medicine. so we're-we need to get the message not only to parents, not only to young people, but to schools, to faith-based organizations, to communities, to businesses. every piece of america needs to understand how substance abuse and mental health fits in overall health. and arthur, there are, indeed, many aspects of that message, aren't there? i mean, you know, fran mentioned some of the audiences, but-but what other types of messages? are there issues related to discrimination and-and-and public attitudes about our field? yes, i think there are, and i think fran's comments are right on point because the reality is that substance use disorders, mental health conditions are conditions that are very prevalent and that they are very treatable, so i-i think the-the two messages are, one, that-that people who

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he has been -- helping me understand. i mean, when i first got the call from what i told you, he was quite tough. there was a sensitivity -- >> rose: what did he say? >> he was not there to see how -- he was john, you really messed up and you have let down a lot of people. >> rose: you betrayed us almost, right? >> uh-huh. >> rose: he trusted you and you betrayed him. >> yes. >> but we are not going to give up on you. >> i ran back because that initial conversation with jonathan just stuck in my mind, and then the friendship developed more, i mean, almost daily i would write e-mails to him if i, just to let him know what my feelings were, and he has been guiding me. he is a great man. one of my wise men. >> rose: yes. you need a wise man and wise women, and it seems you have both, it seems like. people don't take your phone calls anymore like they did. >> >> it was very cleansing. yes. >> cleansing? >> i call it cleansing. >> rose: meaning you found out who your friends orr meaning what? >> exactly that, charlie, yes. >>

cahen mentioned it's so important to understand the resources that his agency has versus the ones that the military has and he said at one point they started looking down in terms of typing, i have this, you have this, how are we going to respond and get the resources we need to deal with the incident. i'd like to hear from all of you what did you learn about what the other agencies' capabilities are and how did that open your eyes? >> yesterday we had a great opportunity to look at a variety of resources. in the midst of all the demonstrations that we had, we actually had an hour lecture on dsca, which is pretty incredible to get everything about dsca in one hour. it was a great effort by the folks who do that lecture. to show you how well i listened, i have some take away points on that. the first is that all disasters are local. the folks here in san francisco are going to be in charge from the minute the disaster happens and i think that that's really critical to understand. the local authorities evaluate the situation on the ground and execute what locally is available, then they

and so i think that if we understand what their plan is, to increase water transport in the bay area so that we can understand what else has to be done to the infrastructure and the port to up port that. >> all right. >> okay. so i think that we can, you know, and obviously peter, needs to get into understand that as well along with the city picture and i think that will be helpful. if we understand what they plan to do or hope to do, then we can encourage them to do more of this. >> great. >> and we are planning and you will see on the calendar for july, for peter albert to come back and make an updated presentation on the work that he has done doing and i believe that he has been in close contact with weta. and then, separately, we are looking at our water taxi landing as a separate project which we will bring to you at some point but we are just getting started on that. >> any other new business commissioners? >> have you guys thought about kind of the awareness program. from the port. >> market, like a marketing program. or the more involved. >> more towards san franciscans. they

in my opinion it is incumbent upon us as a local community to understand where our gaps, are understand what we will need in a time of crisis and understand how best to dovetail with the resources coming in. the military does what the military does and they can be incredible flexible. they can bring a lot of stuff to bear that we can never even imagine. it's our job to understand where those hard stops are for them and how they are best suited, because we can build out our plans in anticipation of that. in the case of, say, medical surge, we can look forward and say this is what we're going to need. we're going to need help with patient movement. we're going to need help with the chronickly ill because by the time the military arrives, a day or so into it at least, even with the best of plans, we're going to have to start figuring out how do we manage those chronic patients and you know what, moving stuff is what they're really good at. moving patients in particular, they are amazing. so we start to look at things like that. as we look through this and we start to talk, remember it's be

you understand? >> yes. >> because i was not raised that way. i do not grow up where you can empathize with your enemy. this film that i made, 15 years ig i would not have been able to make it. impossible. i had to cross that bridge, i had to be pragmatic about it and deal with the israelis, deal with the enemy that occupied. the list is huge. big list. i had to sit down and find out that those guys that i hated existentially are actually working going out on the limb to help me make this movie. the money was not an issue. whatever it was you cannot come out of this experience indifferent. >> rose: what's the response in lebanon? >> terrible. >> rose: terrible? >> well, the film is banned. the film has not even played yet but when the news said that ziad doueiri went to israel it was automatically banned because i actually broke the law. a 1955 law in lebanon that forbids any lebanese citizen to be in any contact -- suppose you were an israeli, i could be arrested. >> rose: by whom? >> by the lebanes

so they have a full understanding of it. and then pursuing it to its end. and if it means engaging other bodies and other authoritative bodies, we would seek to do that as well. >> okay. and i think also you mentioned in your comments that you don't have a legal background either. >> i don't have a legal background. >> okay. a lot of times a lot of the discussion ~ around ethics really is centered around an interpretation of the law. so, and for full disclosure i don't have a law background either. so, i would like to know how you would approach answering some legal questions without necessarily that training. >>> well, i think i would do what any good manager does or any good executive director does, or any good commissioner or supervisor. you lean on the folks who do have a legal background. so, i would be using my colleagues for their expertise. i would daresay that i don't have a legal background, but i do have a strong organizational psychology background and a strong nonprofit background. so, equal to that, i would expect that they would see that as a

i understand from your prospective with mr. rose and where the principle objections lie right now >> as we mentioned we're going to continue to work with the analyst budgets office. very closely and it's been good conversations >> so we'll be seeing you back next week. >> colleagues before we move on any questions from mr. rose? >> okay. why don't we move on. we're going to call one item out of order. so mr. ram in your group if you want to come up and present >> while we get this set up. i'm happy to report from the past accomplishments. on socioeconomic issues. just quickly the department went through an experience of changing our admission statement. this better reflects the work who we do it for. it's a mission statement that's kind of captures the work of the planning department in san francisco. quickly the past year there's been a number of substantially accomplishments. we had an item that was adopted unanimously. and the planning eir was adopted. we started the work on the central corridor and separately it includes th

i understand the fleblth the hammer hanging over us whatnot knowing if it was going to come back. from the accounting point of view but from the problematic point of view i think we're thinking the same way and acting like it's loopholes going to be organize. and instead of saying how this is going to deploy them and it's not categorized. there are a few things that have been my hobby we just did it. but we act as although we are it appears to me we're planning as although we were going to do them the same way. i just want us to talk differently about the budget and about this and it transition time gives us the opportunity to understand the budget process but to start thinking differently about the resources and how we deploy them >> i want to thank for it level of detail and setting thereby aside. but this begs many, many questions. things like 8 hundred thousands for p evidence code section grants and $100,000 for gifted education. i don't want to go into it here it sounds like this is all under influx but i urge we agendize the use of those dollars. there are really dozens of

i understand the desire to try to make it available to anyone regardless of costs. even though it seems rushed and it's been scheduled within the departments i've tread it with respect. i know there are issues with the lease and the botanical facilities they have questions. my hope we can get some answers to those questions and talk about the possibility of making the recommendations to the current lease. i'll start with. are you ready? >> yes. >> why is wreak and park granting money back. >> so the lease actually called us inform reimburse the botanical society. that's funds we're granting back to the botanical society. katie do you want to help me find. the expenses average about approximately $200,000 a year. and there were some capital start up funds as well associated with the - we hope that like the japan's tea garden and other institutions where attendance and revenue has continued to grow the - after the expenses are reimbursed - well, it starts with the 2 hundred and 50 thousands of revenue that goes to rec and park to have the 3 additional garden. so 4 of

school board's perspective and i understand it a little bit more. i want to make sure that my colleagues understand the importance and value of this cpac appointments as well. so, like where she has been on for ten years, and well, i guess that she could not be on for ten years because she would have been six years if she was doing her last three years. >> i am an organizizer parent and i have been a cpac member for more than ten years now. >> that is very confusing. >> i was appointed by supervisor sophie maxwell. >> is there a time sensitive nature to these appointments. so we need to get it done, tonight? >> so just to speak to so it was back in i believe it was 2007, 2008, i apologize to not bringing a copy of the bi laws with me. they redid them and that is when there were set term limits and so story was on for longer. and that was prethe bi laws and setting the term limits. >> i think what it was she had a different slot. i think that once it was a consumer and then she became the community member. because there are different slots. but i thi

there was an understanding. i'm a lawyer, so i know the contracts dealing with real property should be in writing and there were not. the lawyers are unavailable and don't have records that we have been able to find. we have looked, i assure you. but there doesn't seem to be anything. as an equitable matter what we are were hearing from the project applicant that this is only fair and we are trying to do something and we just wanted to show the equities are all within the neighborhood and that is all in good faith that has not been shown by the permit holder. that was the point that we wanted to corroborate it since there was a dispute. thank you. >> comments? >> i too don't see a lot different from the last time, although i do believe that i voted against this project on the previous hearing. my thoughts are that there was some type of agreement that was made between the permit holder and the neighboring property holders. otherwise the dr would not have been removed that easily. i do see that there is some new