penalties, it requires them to relse data o annual bases on level of hate crime that creates a broader understandinsociety about what needs to be done. john: but we're drowning in-laws already in america. we have civil rightsablable, ane -- civil rights act, and violent crimes act. >> stable at a high level. a report -- >> does the law make a difference? >> it does. >> does the person think oh, that is a hate crime law. >> i had a conversation with a transgender woman in california, she said,t ds not matter what the law says, noaw will angehe fact, that some people look at me, theyee a man in a dress, that will change with time and understanng that is the difference we're having, we're not disagreeing over fact there s a problem, we're disagreeing overhe fact that the government is the solution on this. john: the example reminds me of the contoargs police go through to be politically correct about this, fbi now has a hate crime manual, say aid offense of terms. wh are they supposed to say. >> i think people feel when they are a victim of a crime, we want assess to in which -- we want a society wher