i lived -- i couldn't understanunderstand it. you all lived under such threat but for her that was the feeling. this was the reason that my life has gone the path it has gone from perry county to lincoln school to antioch. >> bernice king did your mother and family stay in the same house? >> after daddy was assassinated we stayed in the same house. in fact the house was not purchase until 1966. my father did not want to own anything. he was struggling with all of that so she said you can have a wife and children. they always talked about the fact that one day he probably would die tragically and in fact president kennedy to talk about how that's going to be my fate. shiites anticipated that. she made sure he bought the house and stayed in the house until 2004. >> host: did you have grandparents around growing up? either your mother's side or your father syed? >> i very much did. i visited my grandparents in alabama every sunday and every summer for two weeks and spent time with my grandfather. i would help my grandmother -- i did

so, they are very susceptible to somebody coming out and telling them in plain and easy to understanunderstand words with the founders meant which turned out to be exactly but the people were saying that they want the founders to mean. >> host: but why the right-wing? why do they talk about the election campaign by james madison and all these people would have wanted the health care law and financial reform but why glenn beck and not al sharpton? >> guest: that's a very good question and i don't know the answer. i think there is much in the writing of the founders to support what contemporary liberals believe and contemporary conservatives believe. i think both groups could draw equally from the founders. i think liberals have tended to downplay the importance of the founding generation largely because of its connection to slavery and its connection to white male privilege. i think that is made it harder for liberals with some of the core liberal constituencies to invoke these aristocratic white men as really what kenneth burke would call god terms. and then i think the ideology which is less