we are not undertaxed. we are spending too much. until we get spending under control we are not going to build to solve this problem. taxes have gone up enough. taxes make it harder to great a job. taxes are going to make it harder for us to get this economy back on track to we've got to focus on the problem which is spending. i am for tax reform, as his atr. we can have a better tax system and we know if we don't do that we will not be able to compete in the global economy. that's clear. let's be sure when we do this we are not doing just the opposite which is making it harder to get america back on track and to correct the prosperity for every american. thank you all for being here today. thanks for making this point. thanks for ensuring that people know that america is not undertaxed. we are spending too much. we've got to get that under control first. >> senator, thank you very much. when we talk about tax reform as a number of the senators have, senator portman, roberts, orrin hatch, there's three legs, three sides to a triangl

the argument is made that we are somehow undertaxed. that is not true. one thing atr has done well is to lay out the historical perspective. even without the tax increases that the president and democrats are proposing, the taxes and the burden on the economy is going to increase. we need to raise taxes to reduce the deficit and the debt. the problem is spending. we are spending too much. until we get spending under control, we are not going to be able to solve this problem. taxes have gone up enough. taxes make it harder to create a job. taxes are going to make it harder for us to get this economy on track. we have to focus on the problem which is spending. i am for tax reform. we know that we can have a better tax system in this country. this, thatre we do we are not doing just the opposite, making it harder to get america back on track. thank you all for being here today. thanks for making these points. thanks for ensuring that people know that america is not undertaxed. we are spending too much. we have to to get that under control first. >> senator,

the argument has made that we are somehow undertaxed. that is not true.ne thing atr has done well is lay out the historical perspective here. a situation that without the tax increases they the burden on the economy will increase. want to raise them to reduce the deficit and debt. attack -- under under-taxes. d. we are spending too much. tax make it -- taxes make it harder for us to get this economy back on track. i am for tax reform. this we sure when we do are not doing the out this it. we're spending too much. we had to get this under control first. >> thank you. thank you very much. we are talking about the tax reform. there are three sides to a triangle of actual ones. one is to take the tax rate down. ready five percent corporate at 15.s tax rates are it is not where we want to be on tax policy. rate down. take the it is not good enough to go to 25%. we have about 4.8 or 5% state taxes. when you talk about american taxes, it was a lot more in california. we are competing with candidate 15 in europe with an average of 25. taking that radon is very im