and that's how we've chosen -- >> so you feel a bit unease city. last person i heard speaking about this was mahmoud ahmadinejad, who's the president of iran who says there are no gay people in iran and it's a terrible sin and curse. victoria, what do you think of all this, the gay marriage debate? could you ever imagine attending a gay marriage between two people who come to your church, for example, if they invited you? >> i think if it was that easy, then we would have figured it out by now. but it's been overthrown. states go for it and then they overthrow it -- >> but accepting an invitation is easy. so would you accept one or not? >> would i accept one? >> two gay people who attend your church invite you to their wedding? >> sure, i would go. >> you would? >> well, you know, if i had time, i would. >> joel? >> if they were friends of mine and i respect them, i would certainly go. >> you would watch two people you think are sinners committing the ultimate sin? >> well, i'm looking at it -- i don't think it's the ultimate sin. but i'm looking a