currently, those prices for thirt portfolio include the price of these renewables as being, quote, uneconomic. so that would be factored into making the exit fee amount for a c.c.a. customer. so in effect a c.c.a. customer is having to pay a little bit of a fee on their bill to help pg&e's portfolio be a little greener. and those type of arguments just on their face, they're unintended, negative consequence that has no real policy value for california. and that type of leverage we're finding there. i hope i didn't whiff too bad on that one. >> no, that was good. >> thanks for your patience. >> thank you plrks campbell. why don't we open it up to public comment. if there is any member of the public who would like to speak, please come up. >> good afternoon. i think most of you don't know me. my name is al winerub. i'm representing here the local clean energy appliance, which is an organization of about 70 organizations in the bay area that has been pushing for community choice energy for many, many years. and largely out of a conference that we held last february i believe it was, grew very sp