i wonder how unengaged or disengaged president obama will be given that donald trump intends to dismantle a lot of president obama's legacy. i don't know that he will keep silent on that. so, we won't hear him again in the presidential briefing room, but i'm not altogether convinced we won't hear him again, perhaps, sooner than we think. >> i think he's going to probably endeavor to keep his comments to his family and maybe occasionally yell at his sand wedge in palm springs, as he hits the links and enjoys some sunshine and relaxation. but this very disciplined president may have that discipline tested depending on what is said about him and what happens in washington. eugene, as always, thank you. we'll be checking with you on the other side of the president's comments. to jon meacham we go, our friend, the historian and author and for the purposes of today's conversation, the biographer of george herbert walker bush 41 having written one of the best works of contemporary nonfiction about this fascinating man. jon, i know you join the rest of us in thinking about george and barbara bush