the need to act in an ethical manner is not just a moral one, but when people act unethiccably, it also exposes them to compromise. particularly in dealing with foreign powers. is that true? >> true. >> because when someone acts unethically in connection way foreign partner, that foreign partner can later expose their wrongdoing and extort them. >> true. >> and that conduct, that unethical conduct can be of a financial nature, if you have a financial motive or illicit financial dealing, am i right? >> yes. >> but it culs involve deception. if you are lying about something that can be exposed, then you can be blackmailed. >> also true. >> in the case of michael flynn, he was secretly doing business with turkey, correct? >> yes. >> and that could open him up to compromise, that financial relationship. >> i presume. >> he also lied about his discussions with the russian ambassador. and since the russians were on the other side of that conversation, they could have exposed that, could they not? >> yes. >> if a presidential candidate was doing business in russia and saying he wasn't, russian