correct it before we catch it you get our money back it's totally against public policy and totally unethnical. >> is there any public comment? you know, i want to encourage the commissioners to speak into the microphones when their discussing over and over those recommendations the members of the public can hear. i would a recommendation 2 is directed not to the commission i will urge the commission just to agree with the recommendations of the grand jury and this is the city attorney established an independent audit to see if there's improper conduct either by troishth or commissioners or other staff. >> i will call a motion. commissioner keane >> yes. i'd rather than, okay. can you hear me? just so it doesn't get lost? shuffle could someone make a not in our next meeting we do revisit that august 2008 policy that's being talked about having to do with the matter of money that doesn't have to be forfeited to the city certain things have happened i'd like to take note of that now. and we won't have a discussion on it >> can we ask the staff to make a note to put it on the agenda that we revis

rises to the level of opening up a confidential investigation but there's a lot of things that are unethnic that may not be illegal you're the ethics commission you, you should be lighting e hitler questionable behavior. you know there are so many examples i don't know where to start we've put in the traffic disclosures and payment disclosures. those are raising questions with what's really going on here. in terms of why are people giving this kind of money and expecting in rupture. this is just how business is being done in the city and sometimes it's good to have a public hearing on that. you can do it or not do it or in response to the recommendation or decide you want to do it in 6 months it doesn't matter a star-chamber is a closed kind of secretive hearing where no one else comes in to here that is more of a public forum. i think there's a lot of instances where the public sees things that are represented in the papers about who is important at city hall and things like that and they wonder why they're not registered as lobbyist and what is going on people are concluded there's nothin

about a damn yell steel about someone who last millions of dollars that he want to correct something unethnic california but what about the person the average person that only can go to the task force and ask for the assistance where is there option. so, yes, i agree with the recommendation. basically, the ethnics law if they can't enforce it the afternoon person can and the - we put in a lot of effort and time and energy including going to the sunshine task force 5 times to get some of the records going to the city attorney's office twice with petitions both of which were denied he openly not limited to he withheld the records it is bizarre it says here imagining to our knowledge no one has inquired about this right. that's what i've been doing here for the last two years and saying wait a minute. i'm entitled to those records then the city librarian is using his position to with hold him because i didn't want to expose himself as having lie down under oath and yet each time this commission voted to not violated even though he was found to having violated the task force on 5 separated occasi