but there are still chapters of his life, as there are with anybody in public life, that remain unexamined. i don't know much about his childhood, growing up. i don't know what it was like to be in a room with him when he was, as he would say, brilliantly negotiating these deals. or he an ethical negotiator unethical? the new york military academy years, when he was in an all boys school, very much shaped by the severe culture around him. i don't want to give all my ideas away to bob woodward of all people, but there are big, fascinating, meaty chapters of his life that are yet unexamined. charlie: bob? bob: and because he is a real estate developer, particularly in new york city -- somebody said to me, it's easier to find out what's going on in the cia then to really find out -- cia than to really find out how these deals are made and to use that famous line "follow the money to cope -- "follow the money." areof those deals about money, and sometimes it is masked,intentionally what people are up to. this is a hard, but necessary target. in the case of hillary clinton you could notmp, pick