estimated interest rate is approximately somewhere between 5 and a half to 6 percent for a thirty year unexempt special tax bond and this will change based on market rate but that's the interest rate as of today. >> for how many years? thirty years >> a thirty year financing yes. >> and you've i never saw you before in this commission. >> my name is anna i've not stood before this commission i was at the last meeting and i have been working with various entities at the city and county of san francisco for several years but you may recall seeing my former colleague tom, i speak before the commission we also have our co- managing underwr e underwriteer. >> i saw the other person. >> can you stand up all the underwriter's. >> this is the co- managing underwriter from braxton ton. >> i want to know i never saw that you saw the muni bond before the commission. >> just for your information we stated this people had acquired the original underwriter's so this is essentially the same team and the lead underwriter left the agency and anna stepped in very competently. >> commissioner mondejar questions.