at the same time, he started looking at the oceans and realized that, there is this vast unexplored universer planet. we know very little about the deep ocean. oliver:+++ that can provide us with a wealth of knowledge. >> literally, for some reason i can go the depth of the ocean. military submarines are not deep-sea exploration vehicles. and there is not a lot of funding for it. i think space seems more compelling to people. hollywood has always portrayed space as this romantic thing, and the ocean as this scary thing. i do think it is a dangerous, formidable place. the crushing pressures, the claustrophobia, people just don't feel comfortable getting inside a tube and going underwater. roche, why ison he the one to leave the exploration into the deep. why do we trust this guy? >> he was like, i want to find somebody going out and exploring the ocean, and no one is doing it. each of those four submarines is owned by government, used for national purposes. so, there are a few sobs out there, one off built by engineers. there is very little r&d going into this. going tos like, i'm have to bui