one was unextremity, the other at the other extremity. so i would say unlikely that they're the same event. but in deep water, funny things happen with acoustic signals, particularly with different temperatures layering and so on. and i might get, i might actually get commodore levy to speak to that in a second. i don't think you were here yesterday, but i referred to the fact that just before the press conference, we were starting to hear that ocean shield had made a contact, but we had no detail at that stage. and over the last 24 hours, and indeed probably for the next 24 hours, ocean shield will continue its runs back and forth over the area. i might add, this is a very time-intensive operation because it's towing a lot of cable. and to turn it around to come back again takes three hours to turn around. >> were the detections 24 hours -- [ inaudible ] >> well, the detections, as i understand it, the first detections were around the middle of the night. not last night. night before. [ inaudible question ] >> there's been two contacts t