so what i see is a place where there's no penalty for doing bad things, and it's probably unfixable. so when i look at it, i think what is it we need to change to make this a safer environment. so far we haven't done very much. the u.s. position has been to rely on the private sector and to rely on market forces. that works so well in all other fields of national security. no, it doesn't work at all, and that's part of why we're in a mess. so we need to rethink what we're doing, and that's proving to be very difficult in the current political climate. >> host: insecure bl, unfixable, in a mess, what -- and so what about cybersecurity keeps you awake at night? what is your biggest fear? >> guest: nothing keeps me awake at night about cybersecurity. i don't think we're facing any sort of drastic attack in the near future. right now as far as i can tell the only people who have the capabilities that could do real harm are big countries like china, russia, a few others. they're not just going to attack us for fun. when you see those capabilities spread to people like the jihadis or to no

preface to something he's done in the past that he says is a failure, an example of the old, old unfixable method of autobiography. i'm just giving it here so you can see what i went through to get to this final solution. here's page three. here's insert the 34 old typewritten pages. that would be great if you knew what they were, wouldn't it? [laughter] we didn't know what they were. in fact, they don't exist. turns out they have been lost only it survive the things they were made from and a couple type strips that were made of it. you can see here the next page is not four, but 45 because it follows 44 pages. twain, who doesn't understand it calls it nine. don't ask me why. [laughter] this is to proceed some of the examples of dictation he'd done in 1904. it goes like that. this is the text that he's referring to that he wants to begin it with. it's a wonderful, wonderful text despite the fact he says it's not so good. this is his description in june of 190 # 6 when those -- 1906 when the pages are being written. this is his reading it on the pore -- porch. he read the autobiography begi