think we should be executing people in this country with the kind of system of unreliability and unfrness that we have in him also morally opposed but for me don't have to be morally opposed for the death penalty to determine that it's not appropriate here. >> host: >> who said pital punishment means men without v. pnishment? >> an amazing lawyer who actually is the director for human rights and i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer i was a philosophy major in college and it took me a while to realize when i graduated and i was ally struggling. i didn't know what to do. i as uncertain until i met a passionate lawyer providing legal services to people on death row and it was the beginning of an education that changed my view and my sense of what's important and my prerelease. yes he's had been without v. punishment because we do have a system where wealth matters more than culpability and i think that that this tragic we see it playing out in death penalty cases time and time again. >> how long has equal justice and around? >> we started in 1989 and filed filed threport and we've now got 1