when you go into an ungoverned space like that how often do you put at the top of your priority list to coordinate with those who provide stability and security to hopefully avoid instances like the counterstrike were times where mercy corps is not able to go someplace because it is not a safe situation. is there an active dialogue? >> thank you. and i'm going to give each of you a chance to respond to the interesting and provocative question and anything else you have heard. give each person a chance to provided brief response. maybe i will start with and just work down. >> thank you for that. appreciate it. i would just like to stress one of the concerns we have an operating in ungoverned spaces as you said, any perception that we are working at all with the military or security forces can put staff and beneficiaries at risk, so we must be careful about open dialogue. with usaid in afghanistan in kandahar. and we would not -- we would always push back. there's a target on the back. chance your question, there are a set of guidelines for engagement between security forces and nongov

first is i recognize that it may come across as being offensive when i call it ungoverned space. but i have to call it what it is, the fegts so when i look at problems that are facing us in afghanistan and other places of those ungoverned spaces, one thing i would leave you with, there are many elements of national power, the military being just one aei think we rel too heavily on the ability of our military to solve these intractable problems. and i would encourage everyone to think about organizations like doctors without borders and mercy corps and other ngos that can do a lot of really good things in the vein of other elements of national power where we as the military are not the first choice and are more importantly we're probably the last choice. >> i'll add one final word which is as i look down this panel and recognize the sacrifices and contributions of these four and also the organizations they represent, i want to say a final word of hopefulness because as bad as things have been in afghanistan, the degree of managing and containing humanitarian travesty has been rema

it: to my afghan friends, as offenses when i call afghanistan ungoverned space. it is what it is.when i look at the problems that are facing us in afghanistan and other places of uncovered spaces, one thing i would leave you with is there are many elements of national power, the military being just one. we rely too heavily on the ability of our military to solve these relatively contractible problems. i would urge everyone to think about organizations like doctors without borders and mercy corps, and red cross and other ngos that can do with really good things in the vein of other elements of national power. we as the military are not the first choice, and we would probably be the last choice. theael: i recognize sacrifices and contributions of these four, and the organizations they represent. as bad as things have been in afghanistan, the degree of managing entertaining the humanitarian travesty has been remarkable. che, i do not need to disagree with your point earlier about the origins of the red cross, but with a lot of these organizations grew up, war was far worse and was ha

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the challenge of the ungoverned spaces makes it very difficult to apply the laws of our conflict. when you have challenges that don't get the conventional state on state actor type of scenario we've had through history. i can tell you from first-hand experience that it's very unfortunate. our thoughts and prayers go out to those who are victims. notas almost unequivocally intentional. one of the first things that we consider is the collateral damage that's going to happen. apologist, when people refer to the fog chaos, when things are ill-defined it's and actficult to decide in a manner that is going to have such finality. my information is dated. i had dual responsibilities. the one strike that i disputed in in 2010 took about 2.5 hours. if people think these things happen without thought or preparation, you are mistaken or misguided. case, it was looking for one individual. the information coming in was from of variety of different sources. you have to decide which information is correct and accurate. i won't go into kunduz. i will say that general campbell has spoken directly a

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train and equip terrorists that kind of ungoverned area or a hospitable area has to be eliminated. >e was a story in politics a few weeks ago that broke, and i wondered what you thought of it. your friend, vice president former vice president, dick cheney critical of it, proposal to ban all muslims from entering the united states. do you think a proposal like that would make america safer or less safe? >> it seems to me, in the last analysis, the problem is going to be dealt with certainly by people who are not muslims but also has to be dealt with by people within that faith. and the number of extremists islamists within the faith is a minority. but a minority that's not trivial and it's well armed, well financed, and well organized. and very successful on social media in terms of recruiting. so i can't see that banning people of that faith makes sense, because we're in a need to recruit them and we're going to need to engage them and have support and cooperation if we are to prevail. do we have to do a darn good job of vetting people? you bet. the report, the ease of people have fa

and it's unmanageable sort of firm. >> what does that mean when you say ungovernable and unmanageablehe company has, it's too big to succeed. and if you think about that from an operational perspective, too many divisions, too much sprawling -- too little focus. at the company. and then from a regulatory perspective, this company has suffered -- it's been at the root of so much of sort of what officially ills wall street, the company is now the nonbank. so one of the clearest implications, they have to hire hundreds if not thousands of people to run around and do risk models, hold tens of billions of extra capital and distracting them from what they need to be doing to fix the company. >> and when the company says to me, for example, this whole idea that somehow we would be able to get rid of an interlayer of management people dealing with regulation is not true. we already deal with 200 regulators, as a result of being an insurance company already that's regulated by the states. and we already have the scale economies that come from dealing with those regulators we wouldn't otherwise

combat elements now trying to advise and assist these afghan army and police forces in a giant ungovernablefar. reports are still coming in. but let's talk about that. taliban has been in the past couple years we were talking with miky about this, has tried to be a major player. they have been in negotiations with the afghans, qatar has been involved. so where does the taliban stand as far as some kind of an organization that can be dealt with when you see what we're seeing today? >> well, ultimately of course the taliban seek power. there won't be an accommodation, there won't be a democratic consensus building in this country. this is civil war, primarily between the pashtun and other ethnic groups. afghanistan is a mess. it really isn't a federally governed state. it is in a meltdown position now. it's hard to imagine that -- the afghan army and police, which are kept alive through external financial resources and advice, and u.s. air power, it's really going to hold its state together. very troublesome. hard to see that the obama administration right now can do much more than try and no

weekend really up into yesterday , really they originated from forces moving around in that kind of ungoverned and largely open space between the river and lake. that is where i sold is able to generate its force and is ablete into -- isil to generate its force and infiltrate into the areas heading southwest. the iraqis have a campaign plan, obviously it is their decision. they will decide for the next main effort will be. i won't tell you what it will be until they announce it. we are here to support them. whatever they decide is there next focus, this coalition will be there to support them. that that answer your question? >> does, i ask you about mosul as well. is the airstrike increase real there? mosulteve martin: yeah, we have been conducting shaping operations around there for almost a year now. everything from individual , to high-value individual target strikes, these are examples of shaping operations. as is the operation to seize the city of sinjar which is shaping our operations. there have been quite a number of strikes in the last six months. we've got about 760 strikes in that t

and it is growing stronger every day. [ applause ] and everyone who said that new jersey is ungovernable was wrong. in 2014, our economic recovery went from strong to stronger. we achieved the best private sector job growth in new jersey in 15 years. after creating no jobs for eight years. we've created 224,000 new jobs in the last six years. our unemployment rate has fallen to 5.3%, the lowest it's been since 2008. home sales continue to recover in 2015. rising by nearly 14% over 2014. and the number of construction permits issued is 10% higher than it was in 2014, now at its highest level of construction permits since 2006. last year foreclosures fell by 20% with declines in every one of our 21 counties in this state on our watch new jersey has pulled back from the economic brink. we've brought discipline back to our public finances as well. we've now achieved six consecutive balanced budgets with no new taxes on the people of new jersey. [ applause ] our discretionary spending for fiscal year 2016 is $2.3 billion below 2008. we've shown that smaller government is better government. we

they know that libya's an ungoverned country. massive oil revenue and oil resources there.w, it's a strategic and it's a financial safe haven from which they can launch and plan attacks, certainly, into europe and eventually into the united states. we've got to pay attention to it, and it's great to hear that we are. jenna: so close to europe, as you mentioned. no central government, we do know a lot about the militias that are in control of different parts of the country or at least the territory at this time, and we can't help but think about benghazi as well through all of this and some of our experiences there post-gadhafi. so what's the risk for our operators? because the thinking is that there will be some special operations that are going to be ongoing in that country or at least being set up at this time. >> the risk for our men and women that will be operating there, intelligence operators, special operations, the few numbers, you know? there aren't going to be that many of them there. not a major, quick reaction force that's going to be able to take care of them.

ungoverned space. the general had to convince the president recently regarding the troop levels there. general dunford has come in doing a troop review of what is going on. the bottom line is if we depart now, we abandon the investment of blood and treasure in afghanistan, we will see isis take over the centers of economic production, the drugs, the trade trails, everything. and frankly, it will become worse than i believe syria, even by the fact that they will destabilize pakistan. pakistan has nuclear weapons. we have to consider the results of libya and the results of syria. not take positive action. we don't maintain it here, we will see -- >> i'll let you weigh in, pete. again, we are getting different information from you guys. and you guys are very well connected. i just want our viewers to realize that there is a conflict in the information. our very well respected guys are getting and what we're getting. we'll try to get to the bottom because we want to know if our troops are in harm's way and

but since giuliani's mayoralty it has robbed subsequent mayors of the excuse that new york is ungovernableoes anybody see this as a possible ray of hope that de blasio will be a one term mayor? >> that such a good point, thank you. norma, we know the city does not uncover novel. reagan proved that the united states was an uncomfortable and giuliani did the same and the city, right? >> yeah. well, de blasio is not a one term mayor. i agree with you about the uncover nobility issue. de blasio estaban one term mayor. the new york city will deserve everything it gets. what it will get will not be pretty. one more, please. >> thank you, "national review online" and alice network. i was surprised to hear comments about having to look around for better schools outside the government school system way back in 1965. i thought the problems of the school started later i'm wondering if -- >> me, too. >> i thought maybe 40 or 30. were you concerned about safety or was it a matter of instruction or discipline? and with school reform part of the buckley's mayoral platform? and if so could you give us som

the global jihadist will not be defeated until the ungoverned space in which the app rated is, their ideology is discredited and stability is returned. this will require significant long-term investment and capacity building of indigenous forces. irregular as well as well as regular sustained u.s. engagement. second, the predator has been a most effective weapon in our campaign against global jihadist. the size of the predator fleet will remain a critical factor in the conduct of our campaign. third, intelligence is our first line of defense, accordingly investments accordingly investments in this area should have top priority. i like to conclude by say a few words about u.s. strategy for iran and the need to reassure allies. iran remains on the offensive in its quest for longevity and our allies are increasingly under siege as they can brought the war was sunni radicals and iran and are increasingly strange from us. further strange men would pose a serious challenge to our campaign against the global jihadist and will result in our allies become a more to iranian and radical islamic

is detroit, the state of michigan, not to sound like john lindsay, but is it an ungovernable state?tewide. detroit is one of the graeflt stories in the country. you're citing old facts. i invite you to advice the and see it. the blight is going down, trash is picked up, public safety is improving. unfortunately we have this terrible tragedy because of some career civil service experts causing trouble there. we're going to adoctodress that get that behind us. because people have been harmed. children have been harmed that could last for years and years. >> who authorized the switch for the city of flint to specific buying water from detroit? was it the emergency manager at the time? >> in terms of the change itself, it was a broader effort in terms of saying they wanted to change their water system for a different water authority. it was a 7-1 vote to leave the city water system. >> that was decision to save money, right, governor? >> again, it would also reduce our cost in some ways and they believe they wanted their independence and it was a countywide decision. >> we've been seein

the global jihadists will not be defeated until the ungoverned space in which they are is taken aw away. this will require a significant long-term investment in capacity building of forces, irregular as well as regular and sustained is u.s. engagement. second, the predator has been our most effective weapon in our campaign against the global jihadists. the size of the predator fleet will remain a critical limiting factor in the conduct of our campaign. third, intelligence is our first line of defense. accordingly, investments in this area should have top priority. i would like to conclude by saying a few words about u.s. strategy for iran and the need to reassure our allies. iran is on offensive in its quest and our gulf arab allies feel under siege as they confront a multi-front war with sunni radicals and iran and are increasingly estranged from us. further estrangement would pose a serious challenge to our campaign against the global jihadists and will result in our allies becoming more vulnerable to iranian and radical islamic aggression. reassuring our gulf arab allies, strengtheni

the global jihadists will not be defeated until the ungoverned space in which they operate is eliminated, their ideology is discredited and stability is returned to the middle east. this will require a significant long-term investment and capacity building of indigenous forces, irregular, as well as regular, and sustained u.s. engagement. second, the predator has been our most effective weapon in our campaign against the global jihadists and the size of the predator fleet will remain a critical limiting factor in the conduct of our campaigns. third, intelligence is our first line of defense and accordingly investments in this area should have top priority. i would like to conclude by saying a few words about u.s. strategy for iran and the need to reassure our allies. iran remains on the offensive in its quest for regional i had gemny and our allies feel increasingly under siege as they confront a multifront war with suedy radicals and iran -- sunni radicals and iran. further estrangement would pose a serious challenge to our campaign against the global jihadists and will result in our al

it led to basically an almost ungovernable republican caucus in the house.lmost so in the senate as well. it prevents the orderly process of doing budgets. it does have an adverse economic , especially when they have shut down the government or had crisis about raising the debt limit, things like that. i think some of it is fueled by racism and it is really unfortunate and kind of scary. one of the things that makes me mad is that this is -- we are in a pressure cooker because of the financial crisis in my view caused by wall street, that has really damaged a lot of families, made things really tough it it makes people ornery. we are not seeing the best of america and i think america is far better than this. i wish we would get back to a policy and shared prosperity that would make us more open to each other, excepting of diversity and everyone moving ahead. guest: we are in a pressure cooker. i think it is not going to get better because when you look at budget projections it is not going to get better. more spending, not enough revenue to not only pay for

one of the lessons of the pre-9/11 terror is whatever you have ungoverned states and you allowed terrorism to fill that vacuum, that can have reverberations for the national security. the simply remove ourselves from the middle east, these problems will go away or we're part of a cycle of violence, i don't think the facts back that appeared we had the first world trade center attack in 1983. we were attacked in 1998 in east africa. attacked off the coast of yemen. there because there was a deal with the government to help use the navy into their society. we did not respond and we had 9/11. inn we see osama bin laden 1996 declare war on the united states, we look at this as one. can'tk history shows we return are back. the problem will fester. how can we allow people in the region to defeat this threat? that's the thing that gets me. that's why i am critical of people like donald trump will try to castigate all muslims. in the fight against radical islam, it's the moderates who do most of the dying. where someonetion we trained turns their guns on us and kills three american and risers. we

that 15,000-dollar, down to 5,000, we are in trouble as we go forward and we don't need another ungoverned space in afghanistan. >> anthony: if you were advising people about personal safety, should they be worried about terrorist incidents at this point? >> let's be fair, being hit chances are very small. >> anthony: we have only had 88 deaths that are terrorist related. it's not a personal concern for the average person. >> it's not. i'm more concerned about the way it gets under the markets and drives the economy. that's really the threat. >> maria: let me ask you about the story that's just coming across. saudi authorities are ordering banks to stop allow currency devaluation. it's interest to go see governments react to currency market because the dollar strength has been an issue for american companies and that's part of the slowdown story. >> every time you see significant massive intervention that you can't justify, you begin to worry how that's going to distort the markets. >> maria: anthony t -- the market reacted aggressively. you're not going to do it anymore. >> anthony: gover

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