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he can just make ukraine ungovernable. he can sit and make georgia ungovernable as a whole, everyone in syria -- as long as assad is in power in part of syria so far if a third of syria is completely ungovernable i think that's the game that he play. crimea was a little bit different and things that we have to understand about crimea, i have a lot of liberal russian friends for whom the crimea was the right thing to do. crimea was russian from katherine the great. and then in 1954 -- [inaudible conversations] gave crimea to ukraine as a symbol of ukrainian russian friendship so my liberal russian friends say when it became independent they should have given it back. we say well no, that's not the way it works. international look it's a violation of international law. and we can never recognize the soviet, russian -- of crimea but we need to be aware among russians it is not an unpopular thing to have done, and so it actually added to putin's popularity. but he can be stopped. it is you have to be pretty firm. >> last russi
he can just make ukraine ungovernable. he can sit and make georgia ungovernable as a whole, everyone in syria -- as long as assad is in power in part of syria so far if a third of syria is completely ungovernable i think that's the game that he play. crimea was a little bit different and things that we have to understand about crimea, i have a lot of liberal russian friends for whom the crimea was the right thing to do. crimea was russian from katherine the great. and then in 1954 -- [inaudible...
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by the way, he has the press as well, civil society and americans who are ungovernable. so the job of getting to be president is one thing, once you're there it's quite another and so the learning curve, i think, has been steep but i think we have seen some things that really the world likes in what they see in america. i think the decision to strike the syrian air bases after the combim call weapons on assad, we had layed out a red line four to five years ago, it had been crossed, it had done nothing that. eroded american credibility and that single strike the administration said, this far and no further. there are just some things that are intolerable and i saw something else in the way this president did that, you remember he said, i couldn't sit by and watch babies choking on chemical gas. what he was really saying was as president of the united states, i cannot sit by and watch babies choking on chemical gas and so i think that there's a lot of water to pass under that bridge and we are still learning what it's to get up and not just react every time but some very g
by the way, he has the press as well, civil society and americans who are ungovernable. so the job of getting to be president is one thing, once you're there it's quite another and so the learning curve, i think, has been steep but i think we have seen some things that really the world likes in what they see in america. i think the decision to strike the syrian air bases after the combim call weapons on assad, we had layed out a red line four to five years ago, it had been crossed, it had done...
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, politically ungovernable? ungovernable any number of ways so the issue of imagination is people have, how many people have told us you don't have any power because they have a house and the senate and the white house and the court but somehow there are ways to make this thing ungovernable. and we saw the folks, the texas legislature that you saw some individual some individuals say he was going to call the imf on the protesters and you saw two legislators go visit them. so again, thinking about ways to basically make this thing ungovernable.one of the things that seems to me that has to happen is, and i'm speaking to my young folks because i don't care if ann coulter speaks somewhere. we're notafraid of that . but the amount of energy that we are putting into, if we put it to them, they can put it to us. that's not the approach we want to take our young people i want to be cognizant . debate her. shut her down. i did say the secretary of education at the bathroom, devoid of good sense at the bathroom graduatio
, politically ungovernable? ungovernable any number of ways so the issue of imagination is people have, how many people have told us you don't have any power because they have a house and the senate and the white house and the court but somehow there are ways to make this thing ungovernable. and we saw the folks, the texas legislature that you saw some individual some individuals say he was going to call the imf on the protesters and you saw two legislators go visit them. so again, thinking...
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by the way, he has the press as well, civil society and americans who are ungovernable. so, the job of getting to be president is one thing. once you are there it is quite another. the learning curve has been steep but i think we have seen things that really the world likes in what they see in america. i think that decision to strike the syrian air base after the chemical weapons attack on assad on his own people was an important corrective. we had laid out a red line four or five years ago, it had been crossed and we had done nothing. that eroded american credibility. and in that single strike, the administration said this far and no further. there are some things that are intolerable and i saw something else in the way the president said. he said i couldn't sit by and watch babies choking on chemical gas. what he was really saying is as president of the united states i cannot sit by and watch babies choking on chemical gas. i think it is still a lot of water to pass under that bridge. we are still learning in many, many ways what it is like to get up and not just react
by the way, he has the press as well, civil society and americans who are ungovernable. so, the job of getting to be president is one thing. once you are there it is quite another. the learning curve has been steep but i think we have seen things that really the world likes in what they see in america. i think that decision to strike the syrian air base after the chemical weapons attack on assad on his own people was an important corrective. we had laid out a red line four or five years ago, it...
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we don't want to be an ungovernable people, mr. speaker. we want to be a governable people and when we elect a president and senators and house members and our offices in the states for our state representatives and our state senators, when we elect our governors, when we elect our other constitutional offices that are there, we need to respect the results of that and give them their respect and let them do their jobs. i especially want to encourage them, keep your campaign promises. follow through on those campaign promises, but when we have masses of people in the streets that go out to demonstrate against the results of a legitimate election, we start to look like the third world. can't we have on both sides of the aisle, can't we have republicans over here and democrats over here and leftists over on the extreme there and some conservatives over here that i think are constitutionalists myself, can't we have them respect the stem enough to respect the duly represented -- respected representatives there so there aren't demonstrateses in t
we don't want to be an ungovernable people, mr. speaker. we want to be a governable people and when we elect a president and senators and house members and our offices in the states for our state representatives and our state senators, when we elect our governors, when we elect our other constitutional offices that are there, we need to respect the results of that and give them their respect and let them do their jobs. i especially want to encourage them, keep your campaign promises. follow...
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the exploitation of ungoverned sanctuaries outside of afghanistan by terrorists and afghan insurgents is the single greatest external factor that could cause failure of the coalition campaign the u.s. is now planning to increase drone strikes targeting militants in pakistan islamabad has condensed in the calling it a violation of sovereignty u.s. officials gave different reasons why the afghan campaign wasn't going to plan iran is reportedly arming and funding the taliban corruption is a huge challenge and afghanistan that russia is now meddling in afghanistan it's very difficult to succeed on the battlefield when your enemy enjoys external support and safe haven we had the. overt legitimacy led to the taliban by the russians the problem that the us has in trying to carry out the occupation and subdue the population and i mean the real answer here is the u.s. has to get out of afghanistan they claim that they would have resolved everything and they would have won the war if only it wasn't for pakistan or only or if it only wasn't for something else but there are always looking because
the exploitation of ungoverned sanctuaries outside of afghanistan by terrorists and afghan insurgents is the single greatest external factor that could cause failure of the coalition campaign the u.s. is now planning to increase drone strikes targeting militants in pakistan islamabad has condensed in the calling it a violation of sovereignty u.s. officials gave different reasons why the afghan campaign wasn't going to plan iran is reportedly arming and funding the taliban corruption is a huge...
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well, ungoverned space, and this goes back to the conversation about the root causes of violent acting as an and terrorism. in yemen you have an impoverished population, where opportunities are few, where government services have failed, so health and education were not available for a majority of the population. the government was unable to maintain law and order in many parts of the society. and these are the kinds of , whether and countries it is yemen or libya or elsewhere, where these violent extreme is organizations are able to take root. ,hey provide services to people they feel in the gaps where the government has failed, and that way they build adherence. yemen is extremely conservative country in terms of its religious views, but generally speaking, my own experience with yemen is that these are not people who are generally jihad orto global violence or anything like that. but they can come if they are desperate enough, be induced into joining some of these organizations and following them. host: did you live in yemen feeling safe? guest: i did. unfortunately, the time i was
well, ungoverned space, and this goes back to the conversation about the root causes of violent acting as an and terrorism. in yemen you have an impoverished population, where opportunities are few, where government services have failed, so health and education were not available for a majority of the population. the government was unable to maintain law and order in many parts of the society. and these are the kinds of , whether and countries it is yemen or libya or elsewhere, where these...
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that is a function of a ungoverned spaces such as responsible government. [applause] david: your party -- your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are you saying there are no circumstances where you would use nuclear weapons? mr. corbyn: i would view the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon as something that was resulting in a failure in the whole world diplomatic system. there has to be no first use. there has to be a process of engagement to bring about global nuclear disarmment. it's not going to happy quickly or easy. but we have to have that wish. you cannot think of a world where we could all be destroyed by a nuclear war. david: you say you wouldn't use first use. in a retalltory use -- mr. corbyn: i would say no first use of the weapon. that has to be the basis on what we do. david: adam, does that answer your question? >> it's concerning that you wouldn't look at that. what particularly annoy me that trident is heaven forbid the potential. it goes beyond that many, many decades into the future. when you're making the decision whether to su
that is a function of a ungoverned spaces such as responsible government. [applause] david: your party -- your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are you saying there are no circumstances where you would use nuclear weapons? mr. corbyn: i would view the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon as something that was resulting in a failure in the whole world diplomatic system. there has to be no first use. there has to be a process of engagement to bring about global nuclear disarmment....
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entity undermining and threatening the rule of law they controlled territory for bringing them into ungoverned spaces, they undermine the security, corrupt institutions, they undermine the international community's confidence in the countries that they are in, they have enormous security threats in many parts of the countries they directly rivaled the government in terms of ability to provide money and security or whatever they call security. all these things are major threats and if you look at the migratory pressures we face, a lot of the spaces clean. in the end is our hope is to have stable nation where people are prosperous and come to the united states because they either come here legally or they come here to invest or as tourists if that is our goal you can do that as a nation with a significant amount of its capital being spent managing or attacking these and you can do that in places in which these groups undermine the very legitimacy of the state. another one of our friends says you called them a willing partner. are they at risk in the upcoming elections? >> i hope not. it's not ve
entity undermining and threatening the rule of law they controlled territory for bringing them into ungoverned spaces, they undermine the security, corrupt institutions, they undermine the international community's confidence in the countries that they are in, they have enormous security threats in many parts of the countries they directly rivaled the government in terms of ability to provide money and security or whatever they call security. all these things are major threats and if you look...
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entity undermining and threatening the rule of law they controlled territory for bringing them into ungoverned spaces, they undermine the security, corrupt institutions, they undermine the international community's confidence in the countries that they are in, they have enormous security threats in many parts of the countries they directly rivaled the government in terms of ability to provide money and security or whatever they call security. all these things are major threats and if you look at the migratory pressures we face, a lot of the spaces clean. in the end is our hope is to have stable nation where people are prosperous and come to the united states because they either come here legally or they come here to invest or as tourists if that is our goal you can do that as a nation with a significant amount of its capital being spent managing or attacking these and you can do that in places in which these groups undermine the very legitimacy of the state. another one of our friends says you called them a willing partner. are they at risk in the upcoming elections? >> i hope not. it's not ve
entity undermining and threatening the rule of law they controlled territory for bringing them into ungoverned spaces, they undermine the security, corrupt institutions, they undermine the international community's confidence in the countries that they are in, they have enormous security threats in many parts of the countries they directly rivaled the government in terms of ability to provide money and security or whatever they call security. all these things are major threats and if you look...
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agreement on pretty much both sides of the aisle here as to why these countries are unstable, ungovernable. we have no idea who's running around inside them. there are radical muslim and jihadi elements. it's just such an obvious no brainer here. without going down the route of prejudice and trump is evil. it's a legal precedent and within the power and authority of president of the united states. host: that's mike in north carolina giving thoughts on the supreme court decision yesterday on the travel ban. we'll continue on with the calls. continue to call if you're interested in giving your thoughts and if you're on the line stay on the line just for a few minutes. as we continue on. we'll keep talking about this idea of the supreme court's decision yesterday. getting your thoughts on it. for republicans 202-748-8001, for democrats 202-748-8000 202-748-8002 for independents. a temporary action on parts of the ban, particularly allows certain people from certain countries to come in. depending on if they have what they call a bon fide relationship. those with visas given access. a formal h
agreement on pretty much both sides of the aisle here as to why these countries are unstable, ungovernable. we have no idea who's running around inside them. there are radical muslim and jihadi elements. it's just such an obvious no brainer here. without going down the route of prejudice and trump is evil. it's a legal precedent and within the power and authority of president of the united states. host: that's mike in north carolina giving thoughts on the supreme court decision yesterday on the...
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decades to come as defense attorney james mathis has warned, we've seen the results of leaving ungoverned areas too soon. bill? >> bill: thank you, jennifer griffin, here in washington. if you miss any of her recordings on the front lines this week, you can see them all online on foxnews.com/specialreport. president trump telling congress, repeal obamacare now, replace it later. we will get reaction from the panel on all of that and a lot more when we return. e a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i'm back! aleve pm for a better am. and it's also a story mail aabout people and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you jack knocked over a candlestick, onto the shag carpeting... ...and his pants ignited into flames, causing him to stop, drop and roll. luckily jack recently had geico help him with renters insurance. because all his belongings went up in flames. jack got full replacement and now has new pants he
decades to come as defense attorney james mathis has warned, we've seen the results of leaving ungoverned areas too soon. bill? >> bill: thank you, jennifer griffin, here in washington. if you miss any of her recordings on the front lines this week, you can see them all online on foxnews.com/specialreport. president trump telling congress, repeal obamacare now, replace it later. we will get reaction from the panel on all of that and a lot more when we return. e a safe sleep aid plus the...
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. >> for years america has been ungovernable, richard spoke about the crisis facing us around the worldther countries are seizing. while america is standing still in terms of infrastructure building, creating more jobs, getting the manufacturing industries going again, other countries are moving forward. they just are, and there have been some speculation that when the president came into office because of him saying that he's a deal-maker, and because he had the republicans in the senate and the republicans in the house, he would be able to break the gridlock, that this was the president, perhaps, who could get things moving because he had all the power in one party's hands and because he billed himself as a deal maker. instead his administration is caught up day after day in trying to clean up yet the latest tweet that is occupying everybody's interests and air time, and making it harder and harder for members of his own party to do business with him. >> and mika, i've got a -- i've got a 13-year-old daughter. you've got two daughters, and i'm concerned about the messages that are bei
. >> for years america has been ungovernable, richard spoke about the crisis facing us around the worldther countries are seizing. while america is standing still in terms of infrastructure building, creating more jobs, getting the manufacturing industries going again, other countries are moving forward. they just are, and there have been some speculation that when the president came into office because of him saying that he's a deal-maker, and because he had the republicans in the senate...
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but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge, ungoverned spaces such as libya which can become the basis of some terrible events that are going to take the lives of many other people. you have to deal with those issues here and globally. that is a function of a responsible government. \[applause] david: your party -- your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are you saying there are no circumstances where you would use nuclear weapons? mr. corbyn: i would view the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon as something that was resulting in a failure in the whole world diplomatic system. there has to be no first use. there has to be a process of engagement to bring about global nuclear disarmament. it's not going to happy quickly or easy. but we have to have that wish. you cannot think of a world where we could all be destroyed by a nuclear war. david: you say you wouldn't use first use. in a retaliatory use -- mr. corbyn: i would say no first use of the weapon. that has to be the basis on what we do. david: adam, does that answer your question?
but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge, ungoverned spaces such as libya which can become the basis of some terrible events that are going to take the lives of many other people. you have to deal with those issues here and globally. that is a function of a responsible government. \[applause] david: your party -- your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are you saying there are no circumstances where you would use nuclear weapons? mr. corbyn: i...
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they control territory and converting them into ungoverned cases and they undermine the international community and the international business community's confidence in the countries that they're in. they are enormous security threat and in many parts of those countries they rival the countries in terms of providing money or security, you will of these things are major threats and if you look at the migratory threats, a lot of it is people fleeing ms-13 violence in central america and other sorts of problems throughout the region. in the end if our hope is to have stable nation states and come to the united states because they either come here legally or because they come here to invest or come here as tourists. if that is our goal, you can't do that in nations in which a significant amount of its capital is being spent managing attacking these groups and taking these groups on and you can't do that in places in which these transnational criminal groups undermine the legitimacy of the state. >> one of our computer i literal friends, you call the mexican government a, quote, a willing
they control territory and converting them into ungoverned cases and they undermine the international community and the international business community's confidence in the countries that they're in. they are enormous security threat and in many parts of those countries they rival the countries in terms of providing money or security, you will of these things are major threats and if you look at the migratory threats, a lot of it is people fleeing ms-13 violence in central america and other...
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our country, but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge ungovernedpaces such as in libya which can become the basis of some terrible events that are going to take the lives of many of the people. we have to deal with thoseake issues here and globally. that is the function of a you onsible government. [applause]ioned to r >> your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are there no circumstances in which you use a nuclear weapon? >> i think our party is within trident. that was the decision taken by parliament. i would do the idea of having to use a nuclear weapon as something that was resulting in a failure in the whole world diplomatic system. there has to be no first use.ab there has to be a process of engagement to bring about ultimately global nuclear disarmament. it's not can happen quickly. it's not could have been easyy but we have to have that wish.ar you cannot have a world in which we could all be destroyed by nuclear war. >> you say no first use, and you wouldn't push the button in first use? >> in retaliatory use would you use -- >> th
our country, but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge ungovernedpaces such as in libya which can become the basis of some terrible events that are going to take the lives of many of the people. we have to deal with thoseake issues here and globally. that is the function of a you onsible government. [applause]ioned to r >> your party is commissioned to renewing trident. are there no circumstances in which you use a nuclear weapon? >> i think...
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doesn't believe police departments should be thinking about ways to basically make this thing ungovernable. one thing, it seems to me, that has to happen is that -- i'm speaking to my young folks because i don't care if oncoulter speaks somewhere. we nod freight of that little scarecrow. so, i mean -- but the amount of energy that we are putting into -- with censor them, they can censor us. that's not the approach we want to take itch want young people to be cognizant. debate her. shut her down. should not have had devoid -- dei do, the secretary of education -- at the bethune rad -- bethune graduation. that is unimaginable. how do you make thick u. governable. >> they made their statement. they made their statement. also, when the person who introduced her as well they made the statement with her and made it with the education secretary, and very good point. very good point. and, again, hash tag, race in america, break the twitter, break the twitter. if you have questions come forward. there's so much on the table. there's so much on the table right now. and i'm just -- as a reporter who
doesn't believe police departments should be thinking about ways to basically make this thing ungovernable. one thing, it seems to me, that has to happen is that -- i'm speaking to my young folks because i don't care if oncoulter speaks somewhere. we nod freight of that little scarecrow. so, i mean -- but the amount of energy that we are putting into -- with censor them, they can censor us. that's not the approach we want to take itch want young people to be cognizant. debate her. shut her...
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are correct that to walk away from this, we've already seen what can come out of these kind of ungoverned spaces. problems that originate there do not stay there. they come out, they threaten all of us. they threaten world order and our economy. they threaten our very country. as far as what this wedding look like, the afghan government and with international help we will be able to handle the violence and drive it down to a level that local security forces can handle it and with our allies we probably require a residual force during training and maintains a high-end capability so that the threats, should they mature, we can take them down and keep this at a level of threat that the local government and local security forces can handle. it's going to be an era of frequent skirmishing and it's going to require a change in our approach from the last several years if we are to get to that position. >> do the people of afghanistan want us there? >> there is no doubt the majority do serve. the reason the taliban have used bombs is because they cannot win at the ballot box and they know that. a
are correct that to walk away from this, we've already seen what can come out of these kind of ungoverned spaces. problems that originate there do not stay there. they come out, they threaten all of us. they threaten world order and our economy. they threaten our very country. as far as what this wedding look like, the afghan government and with international help we will be able to handle the violence and drive it down to a level that local security forces can handle it and with our allies we...
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our country, but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge ungovernede. we have to deal with those issues here and globally. that is the function of a responsible government. your party is committed to renewing trident, is are there circumstances you would use the weapons. the party has committed to renewing trident and was taken by the party and parliamenty would use the idea of using the weapon would be a failure in the world's diplomatic system. there has to be no first use and programme of engagement to bring about disarm: it won't happen easy. you can't count ennance a world where we would be destroyed. you would you use it in retaliation? the weapon is there and i would say no first use of the weapon. and i think that has to be the basis on what we do. adam does that answer your question? i find it concerning you wouldn't commit to doing that. it is our safety that we have to look out for. what annoys me is trident isn't just for a jeremy corbyn government, many decades into the future. so when you are making the decision whether to support this,
our country, but we also have to engage in the rest of the world to make sure we don't have huge ungovernede. we have to deal with those issues here and globally. that is the function of a responsible government. your party is committed to renewing trident, is are there circumstances you would use the weapons. the party has committed to renewing trident and was taken by the party and parliamenty would use the idea of using the weapon would be a failure in the world's diplomatic system. there...
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these ungoverned spaces. the problems that originate there do not stay there. they come out and threaten all of us. they threaten the world order. they threatened the economy. as far as what does winning the afghan government with international help will be able to handle the violence. drive it down to a level that local security forces can handle maintainour forces to the high-end capability so the threats, should they mature, we can take them down and keep this at a level threat that the local government and security forces can handle. it is going to be and air of frequent skirmishing and will require a change in our approach to get it to that position. >> do the people of us give us and want us there? sec. mattis: yes. the reason they use mom is because they cannot win at the ballot box. they know that. they do want us there. that is based on an outcome of a of local,ge assembly provincial, national leaders and is based on polls not run by the united states but by other organizations and i have no doubt they want us there. not all of them, but the ones who d
these ungoverned spaces. the problems that originate there do not stay there. they come out and threaten all of us. they threaten the world order. they threatened the economy. as far as what does winning the afghan government with international help will be able to handle the violence. drive it down to a level that local security forces can handle maintainour forces to the high-end capability so the threats, should they mature, we can take them down and keep this at a level threat that the...
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conflicts about what the effects may be on those countries in terms of leaving other government ungovernednding of some of our mosques. we need to look at relationships with rich saudi arabian businesspeople. there is a report being compiled for the last 18 months. theresa may has seen it and we don't know what is happening with it. thank you. right, blue skies. you can hear the noise of london on a monday morning effectively trying to come back to some kind of normality. more on the police investigation, with cressida dick here to give us the latest on the enquiry in the latest on the victims. we will speak to the hospitals were those in critical ca re are hospitals were those in critical care are still being looked after. for the moment, from here, that is it. thank you. bright and blue skies in london at the moment. not the case everywhere. through the week, spells of heavy and persistent rain. it will often be windy. gale force winds with exposure. as the wind changes direction in the second part of the week, warmer. this is the rainfall we have had in england and wales and into the so
conflicts about what the effects may be on those countries in terms of leaving other government ungovernednding of some of our mosques. we need to look at relationships with rich saudi arabian businesspeople. there is a report being compiled for the last 18 months. theresa may has seen it and we don't know what is happening with it. thank you. right, blue skies. you can hear the noise of london on a monday morning effectively trying to come back to some kind of normality. more on the police...
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we are going to have to recognize the problems that come out of ungoverned spaces like that, as we experienced on 9/11. those problems do not stay there. they can come home to roost here. so there will be no turning a blind eye to it. we've got to determine what level of support is necessary and how we orchestrate the international community. not just the american, but the international community, to deal with this. we'll take that forward to the president for a decision very soon. >> and general dunford, i know that you serve very actively there, as well. do the numbers that are being talked about and are those in isolation from other tools in our tool box, essentially, do we need to be doing something else with civilians? >> sure, we've listened very carefully to general mickelson's assessment of the situation and i think we're all concerned about the security trends over the last two years, not the least of which is a significant amount of causalities the afghan forces have suffered, so we've gone to secretary mattis and the president with some options that might be considered in order to r
we are going to have to recognize the problems that come out of ungoverned spaces like that, as we experienced on 9/11. those problems do not stay there. they can come home to roost here. so there will be no turning a blind eye to it. we've got to determine what level of support is necessary and how we orchestrate the international community. not just the american, but the international community, to deal with this. we'll take that forward to the president for a decision very soon. >> and...