. >> what about programs like unicor? >> unicor also provides tangible skills to those incarcerated that translates to job opportunities when they get out. if there is a certification for those incarcerated, then those are very portable skills used on the outside. >> now, that pays for itself; is that right? >> absolutely, it does. >> and the recidivism rate for those who have had the opportunity to get into unicor? how has that compared to the general recidivism rate? >> i can't give you a specific figure, but absolutely lower, congressman. it makes common sense that when you have a skill and you can get a job, you're less likely to make a criminal choice. >> and the opportunity to get into unicor, as i understand it, is a great management tool. >> it is. it enforces discipline within an institution. and people that are involved in prison programs generally have a lot fewer disciplinary ablgctio when they're in kars raticarcer. >> can any of the panel agree to get a mens rea agreement before we prosecute people? >> the v

. >> what about programs like unicor? >> unicor also provides tangible skills to those incarcerated that translates to job opportunities when they get out. if there is a certification for those incarcerated, then those are very portable skills used on the outside. >> now, that pays for itself; is that right? >> absolutely, it does. >> and the recidivism rate for those who have had the opportunity to get into unicor? how has that compared to the general recidivism rate? >> i can't give you a specific figure, but absolutely lower congressman. it makes common sense that when you have a skill and you can get a job you're less likely to make a criminal choice. >> and the opportunity to get into unicor, as i understand it is a great management tool. >> it is. it enforces discipline within an institution. and people that are involved in prison programs generally have a lot fewer disciplinary ablgszctions when they're in kars ratingcarcerateincarcerating. >> can any of the panel agree to get a mens rea agreement before we prosecu

. >> what about programs like unicor? >> unicor also provides tangible skills to those incarcerated that translates to job opportunities when they get out. if there is a certification for those incarcerated, then those are very portable skills used on the outside. >> now, that pays for itself; is that right? >> absolutely, it does. >> and the recidivism rate for those who have had the opportunity to get into unicor? how has that compared to the general recidivism rate? >> i can't give you a specific figure, but absolutely lower, congressman. it makes common sense that when you have a skill and you can get a job, you're less likely to make a criminal choice. >> and the opportunity to get into unicor, as i understand it, is a great management tool. >> it is. it enforces discipline within an institution. and people that are involved in prison programs generally have a lot fewer disciplinary ablgctio when they're in kars raticarcer. >> can any of the panel agree to get a mens rea agreement before we prosecute people? >> the v