liz: finally, unilever seventh generation and before and after what did you discover, edgar?old one was 100 ounces and got 66 louds and the new one is 90-ounce, 10% less and only gets 60 loads. to me, look at bottles and i can't tell the difference. they look the same and wish we were superman and had x-ray vision to see if it's really maybe not filled up with that extra 10 ounces. or did that do something and norrow the bottle? narrow the bottle. a lot of companies are clever with packaging and make it look about the same size even though it contains less. liz: edgar, i applaud what you're doing. we need consumer advocates like you and everybody should check out consumerworld.org and mouseprint.org and check those labels. thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me on, liz. liz: by the way, we both worked at whdh news channel 7 in boston. different types. the dow needs to finish up more than 618 points to exit bear market territory. we're not that far actually. it's up about 621 points. up next, charlie gasparino has breaking details on the ftx collapse