there is basically an entirely new and completely uninstall or -- completely unexplored galaxy of optionsere. emily: google doesn't make money off of android. it isn't doing well in terms of advertising. xiaomi have built business is off the back of android pre-do -- do you think making android open was the right call for google? hugo: it was the only call google could have made on this. it would have been impossible to make the level of adoption would have seen from a close operating system. it just wouldn't go anywhere. plus, you would never be able to build such an amazing developer story. android is the best decision google ever made years ago. the fruit of that will be around for many decades. emily: how does google make money off of it? they pay apple billions of dollars. hugo: think of what would have happened if android wasn't opened. if the apps that were loaded on phones running some alternative version of android were mandated by someone. think about what that would mean for google. it means that people would not necessarily make a choice of what browser to use, which search en