there are uninsured people. >> there are large numbers of uninsured americans each year.he study says 20 million a year if you actually go down to the emergency room to consume services -- who actually go down services -- who actually go down to the emergency room to consume services. tell me why that does not constitute an every meaningful sense activity? it has in the aggregate a it has in the aggregate a substantial effect on commerce. >> that is not the market that this statute regulates. if congress wants to pass is that you -- a statute that says if you pay for your health care in cash it will cost twice as much. that would incentivize them to buy health insurance. it is not sure that that is the market being regulated. the market being regulated is the market for health insurance. the mandate is clear. we must by qualifying health insurance. that is why the question i submit is whether the federal government has the power to compel you to engage in congress. >> we are regulating how and when you pay for health care. i understand the mandate only says coverage. this

tell us about the number of uninsured americans. guest: yes, 50 million uninsured. there's a little uncertainty in terms of getting the number down. 50 million.r big difference between adults and children. the percentage of noninsured overall, 17% of the overall population, represents a higher portion of the adults and a smaller proportion of children. host: who are these people and where are they living? guest: it's nice to have a fair amount of time, because it is a complex story to try to understand the uninsured. the second thing is to think about people near poverty versus people who ar3e non-poor. the people near poverty is essentially that the safety net has not cover them. the medicaid program and chip program have done a pretty good job covering children. it's not perfect, but it's done a pretty good job. if not so good of a job for their parents. and then pour a childless adults, not so well at all. so a lot of the uninsured at or near property are adults without children not eligible for the medicaid program. then if you think about the non- poor people,

it's not the uninsured. under your theory, you could regulate anybody if they've got a statistical connection to a problem. >> the government's position is everybody is going to enter the health care market. >> the health insurance market is different than the health care market. but let's take it on full spriesprie stride. everybody is in the milk market or the wheat market, but that doesn't suggest the government can compel you to buy five gallons of wheat or five bush els of wheat because they're not regulating commerce. whether you're a market participant or not, they're still requiring you to make a purchase that you don't want to do. to get back to your example -- >> that's true of almost every product. directly or indirectly by government regulation, the government says borrowing my colleague's example, you can't buy a car without emission control. i don't want emission control. but i'm forced to do something i don't want to do by government regulation. >> you're not forced to buy a market you don't w

when the uninsured end up at the er, their costs are passed on to paying customers.t means insurance companies end up paying more, so they raise rates. and fewer people can afford health insurance. and fewer businesses, less than half of texans, get health coverage from their employer. a problem melissa knows well. >> i don't have insurance. i can't afford it for myself. at least $200 every two weeks. i can't afford that right now. because of that, i don't have insurance. >> reporter: and the problem keeps growing. she saw 183 patients last week, the most since she's opened her clinic doors. >> bye, thank you. >> reporter: ben tracy, cbs news, houston. >>> i'm betty nguyen. this is the "cbs morning news." bs morning news." ocean spray cranberry juice versus vegetable juice. first the cranberry. mm! tasty. now, the vegetable juice, with more than 10 times the sodium of cranberry juice. we have a winner! you take those little steps of prevention. so if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's cau

it's not the uninsured. under your theory you could regulate anybody if they have got a statistical connection to a problem. you could say, since we could regulate people who enter into the mortgage market and impose mortgage insurance on them, we can simply impose the requirement to buy private mortgage insurance on everybody before they have entered the market because we are doing it in this prophylactic way before it develops. >> no, no, that's not -- i don't think that's fair, because not everybody is going to enter the mortgage market. the government's position is that almost everybody is going to enter the health care market. >> two points, one of which mr. clement's already made, which is the health insurance market is different than the health care market. but let me take it on full- stride. i think everybody is in the milk market. i think everybody is in the wheat product market. but that doesn't suggest that the government compel you to buy five gallons of meat or five bushels of wheat because they

. >> reporter: because the uninsured will eventually pay something for their care, the government says requiring an up- front purchase of health insurance is simply shifting the timing of the payment. justice anthony kennedy is the key swing vote between liberals and conservatives on the court, and he was skeptical. >> here, the government is saying that the federal government has a duty to tell the individual citizen that it must act, and that is different from what we have in previous cases. and that changes the relationship of the federal government to the individual in the very fundamental way. >> reporter: that is the key argument of small businesses suing to stop the law. >> we've survived as a nation for 200-plus years without ever doing this before, and so, this unprecedented and unbounded assertion of the ability to force citizens to transfer property will hopefully not happen again. >> reporter: later, justice kennedy seemed to accept the government's argument that health care is a special case, and congress acted within its constitutional power to regulate commerce to end co

what do you do about the uninsured? some who wait to get medical care until it becomes an emergency. and there's a ripple effect through the entire u.s. what do we do about the uninsured with or without this healthcare law? >> the best example of this is the lead plaintiff in this case. a woman named mary brown. mary brown said she and her husband didn't want insurance. they'll pay for their own bills. low and behold, mr. brown needed substantial healthcare and they were in the thousands of dollars. he had bills in northern florida and alabama, in mississippi. and he couldn't pay for that. so what he did was, he declared and she declared bankruptcy. they are allowed to do that. but those bills didn't get paid and when those bills don't get paid, all the rest of us wind up paying for them. we either pay for them through taxes because the government is going to pick up care or we pay for them with higher premiums and on average, the increase in family premiums, just to pay for the uncompensated health cost is more than $1

well, what is the percentage of the uninsured that have those sorts of catastrophes? we know it's got to be a relatively small fraction, so, in other words -- >> but we don't know who they are. >> we don't, and we don't know in advance, and -- but that doesn't change the basic principle that you are nonetheless forcing people for paternalistic reasons to go into the insurance market to insure again risks that they have made the voluntary decision that they have decided not to. >> but the problem is -- the problem is that they are making rest of us pay for it, because as much as they say, well, we're not in the market, we don't know the time when they will be and the -- and the figures that how much more families are paying for insurance because people get sick, they may have intended to self-insure, they haven't been able to meet the bills for cancer, and the rest of us end up paying because the people are getting cost-free health care, and the only way to prevent that is to have them pay sooner rather than later, pay up front. >> but my point is this. with respect, j

about 20 million uninsured adults, largest group of uninsured. about 8 million would qualify for medicaid. a lot of those are actually young people working hard who don't make very much money. if you make about $15,000 a year you qualified for medicaid. another 9 million who qualify for subsidies on the exchange. so all together you have potentially 17 million adults who would gain health insurance if the affordable health care act stands. there are real world consequences to the decisions made it this court. >> so aaron, i want to play from you, we have one of the senior statesman and the u.s. senate john mccain who made remarks micking up on the notion of how this would affect young americans. let's listen. >> first thing they say the first important thing about obamacare is that parent can keep their children on their health insurance plan until age 26. well you know, i think all four of us right now would be glad to put that into a law as an amendment in a new york minute. if they want to keep son in the basement until he's 30, fine with me.

it's not the uninsured. under your theory you could regulate anybody if they have got a statistical connection to a problem. you could say -- since we could regulate people who enter into the mortgage market and impose mortgage insurance on them, we can simply impose the requirement to buy private mortgage insurance on everybody before they have entered the market because we're doing in a prophylactic way before it develops. >> no, no, that's not -- i don't think that's fair because not everybody is going to enter the mortgage market. the government's position is that almost everybody is going to enter the health care market. >> two points, one of which, mr. clement has already made, which is the health insurance market is different than the health care market, but let me take it on full stride. i think everybody is in the milk market, everybody is in the wheat product market. that doesn't suggest that the government can compel you to buy five gallons of meat or five bushels of wheat because they are not reg

democrats argue it provides crucial coverage to the uninsured.nd 47% of americans don't approve of the law while just 36% do. a slight uptick from two years ago. well, against this backdrop, the justices tomorrow are going to debate the most important part the most polarizing part of the whole law. that mandates that everyone has to purchase a basic level of health insurance, and tonight we're going to go past the talking points and give those who are for and against the individual mandate an opportunity to argue their case. a preview of what is going to happen inside the court tomorrow. it's no surprise i have a very specific opinion about healthcare, but right now i'm going to be an impartial judge right here in the war room court. we are joined by joshua lipshutz used to be a clerk for supreme court justice antonin scalia. and he wrote one of the amicus briefs to the court for tomorrow. he is a associate attorney and believes that the individual mandate is unconstitutional. on the other side ann o'leary, is a senior fellow at the center for am

they use the 20% or whoever among the uninsured as a leverage to regulate 100% of the uninsured. >> i agree that's what's happening, and the government tells us that's because the insurance market is unique and in the next case it will say the next market is unique, but i think it is true, as most questions in life are matters of degree, in the insurance and health care world, both markets stipulate two markets, the young person who is uninsured is uniquely approximately very close -- in a way that's not true in other industries. that's my concern in the case. >> i may be misunderstanding you, justice ken dishes i hope i'm not. sure, it would be perfectly fine if they allowed -- you do actual risk for young people on the basis of their risk for disease, just like you -- just flood insurance on a homeowner's risk of flood. one of the issues here is that they are not only compelling us to enter into the marketplace, they are prohibiting us from buying the only economically sensible product we would want, catastrophic insurance. everyone agrees the problem with the 30-year-old as he goes

the remaining uninsured, and will be 27 million uninsured, tens of millions who will be under injuredne have no place to go when they get sick because the safety net has been cut. there negative consequences to these bills a massachusetts and nationally as well as positive consequences john is talking about. >> if this affordable care act is ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court, it is possibly nothing will change and some 20 years. do you think that is true? >> absolutely not. the health care system is in a complete state of crisis. that is what will reopen the health care debate. history is not just made by legislators. it is also made by small people like us, doctors, nurses, patients. people who write letters, go to meetings. you can do state level reform critics but aren't a number of states one by one, for example, vermont, are the adopting a very different -- coming up with own kind of single payer system? >> certainly there are state level efforts in vermont and hawaii that are talking about single payer. but this debate is not one to shut down for 20 years. the american

in california, an estimated 6.9 million previously uninsured will flood the primary health care system. >> california is facing an enormous challenge with health care reform, and it's a challenge that we should be excited about, because we have chosen to bring about 7 million people into care. however, it's very clear that the current models of care cannot accommodate that many more people. >> reporter: long before the current debate on health care reform, ucsf nursing professor pat dennehy was working on an innovative solution to the rising costs of quality health care. and the challenge of bringing it to the chronically uninsured. >> there's a documented shortage of primary care doctors in this country right now. and even the projections are that we're not going to see this shortage solved. nurse practitioners, however, are growing in numbers, and it is a group of people who are very attracted to this type of work. we're health educators as well as health care providers. this is what we do well. >> good morning. this is tina calling. >> this is a nurse managed health center in the te

it was passed two years ago to help the nearly 50 million uninsured americans.e is that a bigger issue that in texas where nearly a quarter of the residents lack coverage. ben tracy met a nurse there with her own plan to help. >> pick up your pretty little feet for me, darling. >> reporter: nine-year-old georgia shivers had a big wood splinter lodged if her foot. >> hold mommy's hand really tight. >> reporter: a visit to a doctor was not an option. her mom christie does not have health insurance. it would cost her $400 per month. >> that's my girl. >> we need groceries and pay bills and insurance is just too much right now. i was going we're going to have to go to the emergency room for this because there was nowhere to go. >> reporter: her best alternative was here in this houston area strip mall. on most days, how many patients are you seeing? >> right now i'm averaging anywhere between 15 to 20 patients. >> reporter: melissa herpel opened this unique clinic last june to provide care for those without insurance. the 31-year-old nurse practitioner allowed to do

we'll see more uninsured and we'll see price goes up and up regarding health care. >> woodruff: well, let me come back to you, congressman roskam, on that point, that's a pretty dark scenario that your colleague there is painting. why wouldn't that be the result if the court knocks much of this law down? >> well, let's put it in the totality of the situation. president obama, when he was advocating the law originally, said that you'd get to keep the coverage that you have if you like it, and that's turned out not to be true. that it was going to be a cost saver. that's turned out not to be true. i have constituent companies and small businesses in my district, judy, that have said they are unwilling to expand their business and hire new full-time people based on the adverse impact of the cost of this new health care law. so i think where raul and i would be able to come together is to say, look, there's nobody that wants to defend the status quo-- that is, you can focus in on things that drive costs down, which makes health care more affordable, and you can focus in on funding high-ri

these uninsured shift more than $43 billion a year to other market participants. this is in part because in american law and culture, we require emergency rooms and urgent care centers treat those who show up and need care, regardless of their ability to pay. and i will disagree with ron paul here and say that i think that is a very good thing. but when a person who does not have insurance shows up and gets treated, and run up bills they can't afford to pay, someone has to foot the bill. and this results in more than -- approximately $1000 year in the average family's premiums and $30 billion in taxpayer burden as a result of uninsured costs, shifted to other participants. after extensive study congress chose to address the crisis through the affordable care act. i'm happy to call it obamacare. created incentives for businesses to pay insurance, pay for insurance for their employees, provided for state exchanges where people come together to get better deals on their insurance. established tax credits for eligible families to get insurance on the exchanges. allowe

the rate of the uninsured people in those rates is well above the national average.rida has gone one step further. it is now declining millions of dollars in federal funding. they have turned down or refused to apply for $142 million in grants attached to the healthcare reform legislation. the state has reclined as much as $400 million in federal funds that would have increased medicare payments to primary care physicians. here to talk about the lawsuit and the ramifications across florida is bill mccollum who filed the suit on behalf of the state of florida. attorney general thank you for coming back inside the war room to speak with us. >> glad to be with you, governor my pleasure. >> we all have looked at this today, and i know the origin of this suit many claim was political, because you have a whole bunch on one side and a whole bunch on the other, and they are all divided bipartisan lines, but weren't you worried at all that filing a suit like this would actually jeopardize the health care potentially for millions of people in florida? >> not at all. jennifer i

in fact, a much higher proportion of rural residents are uninsured than urban residents. so we not only have the poverty, but we have less of a capacity for rural residents being able to get care. so we want to do a number of things which we think will improve access to care. and we have tried to strike the right balance between creating some kind of market in rural america, which is very difficult. that is one of the real challenges because there aren't that many providers who are willing to compete for the rural health care dollar. and creating an environment through some government assisted programs to create good health care facilities and providers in rural areas. first of all, we think the fact that everyone would be insured will be a very big improvement in rural areas because if we can begin to provide a stable funding base, so it's not just the medicare and medicaid programs out there, but also the uninsured who now have funding streams that we will begin a create a marketplace. it won't be as big as you know, in some of the small towns in oklahoma as it will be

that is not an acceptable outcome and it still leaves twenty-three million people uninsured. when the court makes its decision it could range from throwing out the old law to letting the law stands and some probably much more likely complex range of decisions in between. the most optimistic and most realistic scenario is they declare the individual mandate unconstitutional and some narrow frame. that is my hope. wishful thinking. they leave the rest of the law standing which is going to be a big mess because people are really beginning to think that the president's legal occasional time to talk about this lot just mentioned a few things. 26-year-olds on current policies. a few insurance reform, preventive care, they don't understand the complexity of this law. he never for example of this chart. the joint economic committee did last year. trying to depict one third of this health law. from one 59 bureaucrats and commissions. the american people are necessarily confused about this law. when the president, he and his secretary talk about this they just talk about these provisio

with more temperate climates, the job in the uninsurance claims and rate of job growth were about as strong or stronger than they were in the nation as a whole. for example, the western and gulf coast states have had the strongest rate of job growth from the third quarter of 2011 to january 2012, the most recent month with state data. have arg inaccurate seasonal adjonenble for the drop in unemployment and acceleration in job growth. though it is always difficult to disentangle seasonal from cyclical factors, i'm skeptical thatsonafactors are skewing our key statistics in a major way. the bureau of labor statistics does a more sophisticated job seasonally adjusting employment data at the industry level and scanning for outliers than most people realize. if we do something really simple like use the implied monthly seasonal factors for say the unemployment rate from 2007, from before the deep plunge in the economy, if we use those seasonal factors to adjust the unemployment rate over the last six months, the unemployment rate is found to drop b slightly more than what is shown in the

>> this year, tens of thousands of uninsured americans with pre-existing conditions, parents of children who have a pre-existing condition will finally be able to purchase the coverage. >> two years and counting since mr. obama signed his health care mandate with cheers from the mainstream media. >> now, that mandate is headed to the supreme court to decide its constitutionality, will the same media abide by the ruling or play politics with the decision? >> and if they're interested. >> i'm not looking for someone who is an etch-a-sketch candidate. >> a romney insider creates controversy when he compared his candidate's change in focus, to shaking an etch-a-sketch and starting overment how do you think that the media reacted to that. plus, he's been calling talented, been called controversial. now, he'll be called-- >> a new york jet. and how will the notorious new york press handle tim tebow? on the panel this week, writer and fox news contributor, judy miller, syndicated columnist cal thomas, jim pinkerton contributing editor the american conservative magazine and bureau chief of talk

more than 30 million uninsured people are eventually expected to receive coverage. right now just 13 states and the district have plans in motion. other states are waiting to see what happens after the supreme court hears arguments on the constitutionality of the health care plan. that takes place in about two weeks. >>> a bill which would make it illegal in maryland to smoke with anyone younger than 8 in your car has received preliminary aprafl in the state -- approval in the state senate. supporters say secondhand smoke is harmful to children of all ages and it will be easy for police to monitor since children under age 8 ever also required to be in a car seat. opponents say it amounts to too much government intrusion in personal space. >>> montgomery county prosecutors are reluctantly dropping the charges against the part-time teacher accused of having sex with a student in rockville. they say they're only dropping them because after legal technicality. the 48-year-old was charged with having sex with a 16-year- old. prosecutors say the legal technicality deals w

using tax penalties to push the uninsured to buy insurance. using an individual mandate. help them afford it that is in the bill. obama, who opposed an individual mandate in '09, he came around to romney's position. agreed with him, took his advice. at the end of the same op-ed, the federal government can do something we cannot. take step to stop or slow medical inflation. we will tame runaway costs only whether we change incentives." obama took his advice again, the bill is trying, it spends billions of dollars on comparative effectiveness to find what treatments work and what don't. that is how you find out what quality is. how medicare pays doctors to get paid for meeting targets rather than doing more. exactly what romney wanted. he took romney's advice and what does he say? does he say he inspired national reforms. does he say a democratic president has to take his approach. on his website he wrote, when is the last time a massive government cost raised the consistency of a service? dude, i don't know when the last time was but your massive government lowered cost, r

if it's struck down, there's going to be 60 million uninsured in the country. half of those people will be women. women are not going to have access to mammograms, pap meres, cervical cancer tests, all of the things that they need in order to make sure they are healthy and take care of their family. the stress that we see is we're seeing 40 to 50% more patients at our clinics, 52% of them are women that are coming to our clinics for help. if the aca is not enacted we know the stress will be more on the emergency rooms doctors offices and on our clinics as well. >> great to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >>> up next, there's more breaking news in the case of trayvon martin. we'll have all the details, next. stay with us. >>> we'll bring you the latest with the mar march case. >>> more breaking news tonight in the trayvon martin case. the special prosecutors in charge of deciding whether george zimmerman will face charges says she may make a decision about charges before a grand jury investigation begins. angela told the l.a. times her team is working

and i was completely uninsured. not only will i forever remember that fateful morning, but i'm still paying off the medical debt and likely will be for many years to come. i've definitely made health coverage a top priority ever since. and after leaving the first nonprofit job, i obtained individual coverage until i was insured at my next job. however the insurance i had at the new job was inadequate. where the new health care reform i was able to add to my mother's plan which we did as a backup, but it was a necessary backup. now i'm in an interim job that doesn't offer health insurance and i don't have to worry about what that means for my health. i'd like to thank leader pelosi for her tremendous leadership on this issue and i'd like to thank groups like the young invincibles for giving voices to our generation in obtaining quality affordable health care. i wish the affordable health care act had been passed sooner. i don't have to worry anymore that an unexpected accident could leave me owing medical bills for y

the mandate will not eliminate cost shifting from the uninsured, but even if it did it will still increase premiums. the mandate does not reduce cost shifting as it suggests. it increases it. one of obamacare's leading cheerleaders is an economist named johnathan gruber. he projected when the mandate takes full effect in 2014 it will cause some people's health insurance premiums to double. think about that. think about how much you pay for health insurance right now. think of that amount and now imagine doubling it. that's because the law will force a lot of pay higher premiums to subsidize the sick. but that doesn't reduce the cost of covering the sick. it just shifts that cost to others. as cost shifting always does, that leads to higher costs overall. president obama has said the mandate and the rest of the law will save lives. the problem is he doesn't have any solid evidence to back that up. in fact, while congress was debating obamacare, researchers in oregon were conducting the only study ever to only generate solid evidence on whether it saves lives and the president and congress c