. >> haven't worked at a union shop, being in the union, gets in the way of advancement, because if the policy is last hired, first fired, what kind of incentive is there for you to work really hard to get ahead and what kind of incentive is there if there is a strict stewart tour how you move up -- structure how you move up in the company. >> you have to admit, adam, union membership in private corporation operations is down dramatically and there has to be a reason for that. >> there is all sorts of reasons for it. part of which, but, we could trot out other statistics about how the industry, where unions traditionally have been strongest, being down over several decades, is neither a good thing or a bad thing, just a fact of life. and what is interesting, gary k. started out the segment talking about the added costs that unions bring to the process and you pointed out, charles, that companies all across the country are producing training videos, to encourage their employees, not to support unions and they could save money by not producing -- >> patricia brought up, more importantly t

unionization under employee free choice act? [laughter] will card check survive in the final bill? >> first of all, every shop should have a union. [applause] i believe better decisions are made when you sit at the table as the cool. i will give you a classic example. when my son was five years old he would say i want to do this and i would say no. and that is it. he did not have been a kind of leverage or bordering power and could not go to any higher authority. he had no bargaining power. two minutes later my wife comes up to me. [laughter] and she says i want to get a new car and i say let's sit down and talk about this. it is a different process because we come to the table. we came with almost the same bargaining power but i was still on the short and. that is what a union does. one worker against the employer it does not matter how right righteous, you have no ability to do anything. but no matter what the group is if you have people who were sitting down and working and we can work together more effectively and create partnerships where we really do take on what i consider to be the opponents and the s

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union sponsored a week-long course on workers safety including a session on scaffolding training. one more from chris birdnik. in 2004, pittsburgh recentralized its printing operations, and outfit add new print shoph high-speed, high efficiency copiers. now teachers e-mail their printing jobs to the shop, and the shop sends back the finished copies on the district's food distribution trucks. birdnik says he's undercut kinkos and he's cut the cost of the finished copy by more than half, and low-skilled workers do the job instead of higher paid teachers. david peterson is the cfo and associate superintendent of the scottsdale unify district in arizona, and he had one of the more, most interesting ideas i came across. last year peterson pushed through the state legislature a law that were allow arizona schools to sell up solar power plants on their roofs beginning this year. the idea is this -- peterson's district doesn't have the capital to build a solar power system, what district does, but the federal government is giving generous tax incentives to investors in alternative power. peterson also doesn't need the tax incentives, since he's not paying federal taxes. under peterson's plan, which distr

local's electrician unions sponsored a week-long course on workers safety including a session on scaffolding training. in 2004, pittsburg recentrallized the printing and out printed a new shopth high efficiency tops. now teachers e-mail their printing jobs to the shop. the shop brings copieses on the food distribution trucks. he's undercut kinkos and he cut the copy by half. low-skilled workers do the job instead of higher paid teachers. david peterson is the cfo and associate superintendent of the scottsdale district in arizona. last year peterson pushed through the state legislature a low that would allow arizona schools to set up solar power plants on their roof beginning this year. the idea is this, peterson's district doesn't have the capital to build a solar power system, what district does? but the federal government is giving generous tax incentives to investors to power. peterson also doesn't need the tax incentives, since he's not paying federal taxes. under peterson's plan which districts across arizona see as a template, they were all telling me that they were looking forward to trying this. investors who build solar-power on parking lot. the systems will heat,