jobs, i flew out to arizona on a union plane with union pilots. that's been there for 60, 70 years, those industries have shrunk and less planes, less workers, et cetera. >> i drove a rental car that was built by a company that's now two-thirds than it started out 30 years ago, so you can't make the case here in any shape or form that union labor and all the benefits and all the costs and all the inefficiency has anything to do with a stronger economy, factual. >> brenda: that's got to be the last word, thanks, guys. coming up, the white house putting out new rules for the president's health care law. why the cavuto gang says it just puts the nanny state in your workplace. and that at the bottom of the hour, but up here first, federal employeesleading with congress we've suffered the loss so leave our pay and benefits alone in the fiscal cliff costs. thehehehehe childress, and now back to bulls and bears, and for the latest headlines, log on to foxnews.com. >> leave us alone, as the fiscal cliff nears a group representing more than two dozen feder

unions? >> bob: free market. >> eric: the free market. >> bob: the free market did a wonderful job to keep the economy on track, hasn't it? >> greg: opposed to socialnism >> bob: opposed to misguided management. >> dana: even when the employees vote to not be in the union the union does this on their behalf. that is what we're supposed to believe. unions are feeling their oath. if romney would have won, they would have done it as well. the unions are declining so much with people part of them they trying to do what they can. they risk losing in court of public opinion. earlier today, they sat in sixth avenue to proest he had to come to work today. everyone was yelling at him and saying ridiculous. get up and get to work. >> greg: union of one. >> bob: you make a good point. the union membership declined dramatically. i don't know what you are worried about. you a right for a union and collectively bargain. >> greg: we have a right to travel. >> dana: you talk about prime minister benjamin net

union representations and a lot of shows have to be the corrupt union members why can't we show a labor union doing a good thing which they do for communities so i'm excited about being you know a small part of that if i can in my sort of film career as i move forward here and there showing some positive work or a positive labor story so maybe it's not if we don't get coverage in a newspaper maybe it's showing it on one of these other levels a major film a reality show something like that so yeah i think maybe that's a way to get more attention to labor and get a sort of a more positive spin on things and. the this film is brilliant because it's a brilliant piece of history it's as well as a i think a cautionary tale for our times do you said earlier that if if the labor movement of the thirty's forty's fifty's sixty's were to be reinvented today it probably would have to be called something other than a union because of all the spin the bad spin that has been put. unions over the years what in your mind is the relationship between the occupy movement and that kind of social transformat

some guy in union georgia got my idea. i had no idea. i'd never been to union, georgia. tom: -- >> what i tell people is you have to get yourself protection. you have to get a service that will help the that will track your use of your card, check your use of your numbers and pickup whenever there is a suspicious use and notify you. that is lifelike does. i think they're the best at it, but there are a number of other services. if you like one of them better, go get one of them, but you should be protected if you're going to do online purchases. you should be protected. tom: i know the way that worked against me. apparently some guy walked in and they said to make your buyyng this. if you want to sign up for our credit card right now will give you an extra 10 percent off. somehow they had might be. i started seeing all these notices that i was applying for credit at all the stores had never been to before. tom: i was just in england and france for eight days. i got three alerts. three alights from lifelike. ms. hughes, that used. other wanted to know, was it me. guesstim

anderson go to hell union carbide go to hell. for so many years who's been drinking poisonous water even today the water is still poisonous and all of our children are sick. of them and the entire community split up with a problem that is why we will keep fighting until her agreement to all demands the fine to continue. inoculated for a gas leak from a union carbide corp factory in bhopal killed up to twenty five thousand people it was one of the world's worst industrial accidents more than thirty thousand people are believed to have died from the effects of toxic chemicals released into the air from this factory the union carbide plant in the central indian city the book. on up on the contaminated water is making our lives how they're going to get even that. all those of tons of stuff that we just live betty that is three forty six tons of waste everything that warehouse additives thousands of tons of waste on the surface of the fact that provides. was the plant that was responsible for causing the world's worst industrial disas

to me it seems a black eye for all kinds of unions, a variety of flavors and unions, the bakers union, they were the only group who could come to agreement with hostess and at the end of the day the company went out of business because of that. >> going out of business and if you look at the auto companies that need bailout, the union once, chrysler and gm, it wasn't the ones in the south that were nonunion so the problem is unionmaking and union bosses are making these non-competitive and it is hurting the workers they purport to represent. gerri: have a great weekend. thank you. still ahead of fiscal cliff mess just got messier. how president obama responded to john boehner's latest comments and holiday season rushes on. would you spend your money? where's the best place to invest it? buying retail stocks for losers next. gerri: it was black friday madness all across the country. this was macy's at midnight in new york city. other stores open really liked was r us and best buy, great deals like lc tvs which were 50% of. overall sales on black friday are expected to be 4% to $11.5 bi

he was a good union general. he was the one who granted generous surrender terms to we's troops in appomattox believing upon the war's end they had to get back to the south which was starring as a result of the war and in no small part because of grant's strategy in places like georgia the south was starving. 11 take their horses to go back and plow their fields and treating them once again as fellow americans rather than rebels. when his troops began to cheer about the surrender he told them to be quiet. these are our country men now so grant became the sympathetic general. chairman remained the devil incarnate until the end of his days so grant became a unifying figure and i could elaborate on this a little more. [laughter] >> not that i am trying to insert myself in your conversation but i really want to ask you to talk about grant as just a guy because he was the most unlikely political material to become president of the united states. he talked about his knees knocking when he had to give a speech. how did

union workers there are on strike. that is after a midnight deadline came and went without any agreement between that union and the openers. a lot of the dispute is about changes in benefits. the supermarket chain said the problem is the economy has been rough and they're dealing with a lot of competition and non- unionized businesses like wal- mart. >> that's right. and meanwhile, this weekend's labor organizations are rallying around proposition 32. >> union members gathered yesterday in oakland. it would prohibit unions and corporations from making contributions to candidates. supporters of the measures said they have to influence special interests and opponents target unions with no impact on wealthy individuals or super pact. >> and that is in a way right now. we believe -- we could not have the big money. >> and prop 32. the supporter of the measure joining us live in studio. >> a former chairman of the republican party sat down and told us why you should vote for proposition 32. >> why. why should people vote fo

i say to myself, so if the union attempts to go to the union down the road.are as bad off in part, you know, the unions protesting on their busiest day goes after the brands on the airlines themselves. kicking the airlines when they are down. >> what is your reaction, this airline thing, let's see, there is absolutely striking protesting in lax, a threat in jfk, portland airport or the portland port. you are going to lose whatever support you have left. president obama can't bail you out. >> i agree with both of you. there is a risk when labor strikes takes action at a time like this. there is a trade off. you might infeweriate the public. but as far as the number of people, it is not positive attention. you are right. there is a phrase, all news is good news. it is not true. the dwrunions are digging a hol. >> i think the percentage of people that would like to djoina union is far higher. if that was the case, they had allies all overwashington. they don't anymore and they are not all that happy with this president. >> i think it is odd that after president

if these union heads go forward. this could hurt the economy. >> tracey, you made the point about the retailers, it could hurt the consumer spending as well the economy needs that right now. and economist looking to the holiday shopping season to get big numbers out. >> cheril, i am a last minute shopper and i disagree that they have everything in for the season. stuff comes in down to the wire in so many small businesses if you don't have what i am looking for when i generally get out there, i am not buying it that hurts the over all economy. and look. at the unions what are you doing? people are dying for jobs and you are basic lie treating it like you throw it away. nand why the only place they are growing in the municipal. private sector learned from steel workers and airlines and education and pier point twinkies as well >> i am curious. what do you think. talk and it is it fine with just the accent. we are seeing a sea ship. >> two sides to every story and there has to be shared sacrifice. and as far as hostess

there would be you know mic benefit but at least you could sustain it with a full political union. but i think going to happen i believe bill if you would not understand what the snouts were there were some people who are well it probably won't happen because this was a sin some years before it was due to happen and people probably would happen and also there has been a. for many years in throughout europe and we truly need only kingdom of form of political correctness in which it was felt that anything which was european was a noble ideal and anybody who criticize it was desperately politically incorrect or appear as it was so to the public put it with its basis in peace and democracy if the public didn't know any better did. i think the principal promoters of it knew that it was a gamble and in my judgment it was a grossly responsible gamble but they were gambling they wanted their objective and they had been for a long time was a full political union united states view and they thought that the room or service logic would of monetary would force the political union to arrive and

all ruined by the union. tom: the union said we are not going to have a strike, all we we're going to do is have 1200 people marching down century boulevard to sepulveda and those who don't know l.a., the main entrance to the lax airport, 1200 people will create a nightmare out there. >> the only power unions really have in terms of negotiation is their ability to conjure up visibility. the fact we're talking about this right now means it is working already. the question has to balance is if we pick off consumers while also getting the attention they want in this case the airlines, you have to look back at baseball season when the referees went on strike. it wasn't the referees everybody got mad at, they got mad at the baseball league because they were not given with the referees needed. the question will be can they do this in a way that will get attention but not tick off many people on the thanksgiving weekend. what better day, semi-looking at it right now. >> if you don't want to tick off the public, do i

listen -- >> unions are. >> listen, the grocery stores were unionized, remember that. grocery stores are unionized. remember that, and they -- the workers went from there to wal-mart to get better pay and benefits. also we saw this with hostess and going bankrupt. the unions protesting there. what's going to be next? you going on a unionize kohl's or target? that's what the union movement wants. >> rick,ometimes the unions maybe they say they have the best interest of the workers at heart, but sometimes it leads to closing a company. look what happened at hostess. look what happened in american airlines where the union protests led to the companies either shutting down or going into bankruptcy. >> let's talk about hostess. this is a misconnection. no ses associates at wal-mart are going out on strike, period, end of story. >> you're talking about cashiers -- >> they're not going on strike. >> yes, th are, rick. there are a dozen protests -- the fact -- >> hang on. there are a dozen protests across the country and strikes breaking out. hang on. there have been strikes b

, including the united food and commercial union seeking to unionize wal-mart.f people that work at wal-mart, not thrilled with the working conditions or the pay they are making, not a lot of them say they want to join a union. they would just like management to hear their pleas, and, perhaps, do a better job of paying them or having more fair work conditions, but not everyone is sold on the notions of joining a union. it's interesting. as you see here on the south side of chicago, the protests evaporated, and it's just us left in the cold. oh, so it goes. tracy: even protesters can't stand the cold. jeff, we have to send you home for the day. you're done. i'm sending you home. >> that's wonderful. tracy: you're done. >> new president of fox business network, tracy. david: unions failing miserably to shut down walmarts didn't work after they could not gin up enough employees to join the contest. it's part of the failure of unions to stop their bleeding as they lose workers in in the private work force. they got the preponderate of -- president of their choice re

on the part of the management of the union. of course. the indian government has request for extradition of. the us government has denied that request. send warren anderson to face drive. the proposal for the method that so save it black good one anderson it will be i need was one anderson who was informed about deity being a condition of safety in the plant all this was his but it's the knowledge. culture is that so much as i can which of course he's right on it will be a day of fiscal reckoning is almost upon us by the end of this year the president of the united states and congress must come to some kind of tax and. resistance is not the politics but our culture. is couldn't stand. on its own. cultures of resistance on marching. through the. science technology innovation all the least of elements from around russia we've got those huge earth covered. listen. i've. i've. lived. live live. live . please be cool language. programs and documentaries in arabic it's all here on. reporting from the world's hot spots of a theocracy interview's

the union officials do not want their union members who have that ability. >> a lot of union members -- >> 32 would use -- would bar union dues for political purposes. >> right, but it would give them the choice of having money deducted from their paycheck. >> but unions can give the money directly to political campaigns but they still can't form their independent tax. that's what they are not telling you. they still have the ability to make contributions to political campaigns. the other thing that is a major problem is that they say, look who's backing 32. they say oil companies. go look at the supporters of proposition 32 and see if you see anywhere where there is oil company supporting this thing. their whole campaign, frankly, is based on misinformation. >> let's get to the root of what is about. we saw this when you are chair of the republican party. they felt that public employees had too much of a say in sacramento and in the local sections. whether it be the teacher's association or the prison bars. this is an attempt to curtail the power state and locally. >> this is a comp

settlement was announced if you could not mean that it could be such a growth set out because the union government agreed to settle all bost present and future liabilities for as some as small as four hundred seventy million dollars. people received as little as five hundred dollars but lifelong injuries and the unpunished. i believe whatever happened in the past we cannot change it but what is happening now is in our control it's been twenty seven years and the government should least do something like he. clean water because the ground water is contaminated by whoever survived that night and whatever life is left for the gas victims they should get proper treatment so they can spend the rest of their lives in good health. they are gas and water victim children who are born into deformities and their future has to be kept in mind so that these kids can live a proper life and so that their parents do not take them to some sort of burden which i think. you're welcome. i love and. good afternoon c.h.r.y. this is only summer f.m. to la and i'm joined on the line by son jay very much who is

the postal employees union is extraordinary. federal and postal employees are struggling during these hard times. no other group has been asked to financially contribute in the way that they have. we know that they are making twice as much of a comparable job and the private workforce. >> there is no gravy train left. america it is not in the 50s anymore. companies along the lines of this, they can't handle the higher pay rate. there is no future for private and public jobs growing in the sector. charles: in the private sector it is all about this. if they had a really from the white house and national labor relations board. it seems like a favorable media right now. they are on the attack. i don't know if this will backfire or not. holding up traffic at lax and those kinds of places, it might backfire, but we think? >> you hit the nail on the head that this is a favorable white house. one in five americans in the union household, i get it, they don't want their benefits package flash or whatever. isn't obama the one that is tal

the problem is the unioned has. a reason from 40 percent in the 50s to single digit right now, becau they ever inive and contrary to business and i believe they are crooked as the politicians who gave them too many benefits >> shopping for sturgery in the country. more workers telling them to pack up and taking a trip for medical operations. this out of the line? [ female announcer ] e-trade was founded on the simple belief that bringing you better technology helps make you a better investor. with our revolutionary e-trade 360 dashboard you see exactly where your money is and what it's doing live. our e-trade pro platform offers powerful functionality that's still so usable you'll actually use it. and our mobile apps are the ultimate in wherever whenever investing. no matter what kind of investor you are, you'll find the technology to help you become a better one at e-trade. >> they have the baby. it is delivering babies. and it is hip replacementings. and that is for everybody yeah? >> i think it is it a terrific i

and they have been retaliated for trying to unionize. to focus on the fact 19 citizens who go do work can't make end's meet. they can't make ends meet on $10 an hour. >> i didn't see a lot of walmart workers walking off. >> one store said they had 30 employees but you have to look at it and say, i understand haw are saying about the american people but it is not the issue of weather people need to get more money but it is the issue of, does the national labor relations board, is it doing their job? >> this could be politics at place. would you admit? the nlrb could be bias the, they have four members, three apointed are democrats and two appointed by president obama, doesn't that stack the deck a little bit? >> i don't necessarily agree the deck is stacked. i think this issue is ripe right now and our public needs to hear the fact that company people that do have jobs struggle to make end's meet, and it is better for people to go to work and receive a living wage than for the people to see government assistance but here people receive go

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this has been backed by the union over the course of months. >> only if it is a union organizing. >> if it is a union organizing there are laws the union has to uh body by. >> i don't know why you are smiling, but are you laughing at me here. there is an e-mail saying everybody show up at wal-mart on friday and protest these lousy labor relations. you can't stop him from saying that? >> you can't, and you can't stop the employees either. i agree, it will go to the district court. but why they are doing this sbt to stop them. isn't to stop them. it is to scare those who don't know any better and not showing up on good friday. it is their big day. they are trying to make it into greasy thursday too. greedy thursday too. >> fast-forward and it goes to the court you mentioned there. they have legal jurisdiction. could wal-mart win damages from the outside union which has been trying to organize this protest? >> they don't pay the people enough money? >> well now we are getting into a different situation. once they are in the court and a court determines, it does president -- it doesn't m

s most notorious union leaders he heads up the are empty the underground dreyfus union but across science we're talking to us now just in the past couple of weeks your members have gone on two separate strikes train clean as an underground maintenance workers you've gained this reputation as the most strike happy union why are you so quick to take action like this when we're not quick to actually cite the action i mean we have to have a power of our members a secret ballot the ballots conducted in the members are now and they can vote yes or no we always put a recommendation which what it should be recommended. action we give the employer seven days notice before we start the power when we get the ballot result when we think of seven days no it's a month just for the ballot in process so we never actually conduct negotiations for a sign of a ballot to strike action. climbing we try to get what we can without going on strike eighty percent of our members we achieve what we want without going on strike for those employers that always in and not the players union members a fair deal then the

proceeded to sort out the case for four hundred seventy million dollars which was sort of cheap the union carbide start went up by two dollars a share the sentiment was people could not mean that it could be such a grew old sellout because the new government agreed to settle all bonds to present and future liabilities for a sum as small as four hundred seventy million dollars. people received as little as five hundred dollars but lifelong injuries and. unpunished. i believe whatever happened in the past we can all change it but what is happening now is in our control it's been twenty seven years and the government shouldn't these do something like people should get clean water because the ground water is contaminated whoever survived that night and whatever life is left for the gas victims they should get proper treatment so they can spend the rest of their lives . as in good health. there are gas and water victim children who are born with deformities and their future has to be kept in mind so that these kids can live a proper life and so that their parents do not take them to some sort

with the cooper union speech that helped to. him to the top of the list of republican candidates. >> to make opposition and the federal government to act of legacy was the during an aftermath of the revolution. focusing on industry group of men who signed the constitution. including the southerners his version of history it had been shattered aside. it was the duty of the republicans. as a legal brief was effective but emphasize eight of what he called fax. after a three decades to go side-by-side. with powerful support with notable founding fathers. that slavery was quiet and organize is from george washington to james monroe. of course, that included john adams and jefferson and madison. of slavery the founding fathers of the complicated legacy and we did never wanted to believe. the crisis he did write private letters to a few southerners and then he was added to talk about slavery and right and wrong a. this is not new language four lincoln. he told a former law partner the slavery question cannot be compromised. that was a

from the bakers union. he basically said, look, you can't negotiate with terrorists, and they were stealing our pension. in retrospect, was there an area where you could have given to keep some of these union members happier? >> well, you know, it's interesting. i think, you know, i came on board in february after the bankruptcy filing to try to get the company out. and i would readily admit, i think there's a lot of bad history here and a lot of places to point the finger for blame. i don't spend a lot of time doing that because that's sort of like bayonetting the dead in the battlefield. if i could look back, i would say i think there were management mistakes. i think there were union mistakes. as a turnaround guy, i think it should have been done prefiling. these parties negotiated all last year and never got anywhere. i think in retrospect, you could always do different things and have a different outcome. >> what was the most costly sort of want on the union side that just couldn't happen from hostess'

but because you're pro union, a small group of employees that are pro union -- >> i'm actually pro met a time, guys. >> to be fair, the trouble with american labor laws is that a small cad ray of pro union employees were able to sink an entire company where you've got tens of thousands or at least 10,000 employees who had absolutely no want or wish to see this happen. there's 7,500 teamsters willing to take these concessions and keep their job. look at it this way. there's no rational actor that would tell you a job on monday at slightly reduced wages is better than no job at all. >> what about that, mike? >> where does slightly reduced come in? what does that mean? no, it's 27% over five years. >> you could have looked for another job. if you didn't want the job, that's fine. there's other people that need money this holiday season. >> they were stealing my pension at the same time. >> but look what happened now. >> yeah, you're going to have nothing. >> mike, the assumption we're making is that when you get a job back, if you get your job back with wonder bread, it's a nonunion job

this time over the police officer's union from the rider -- writer's case. they are being unfairly targeted. >> we need to defend the ranks. the men and women who work the streets. >> reporter: they finally came in the union case to decide if they should be taken over by the federal court. over the years the department has failed to train them adequately. when things went wrong in the occupy demonstration, they disciplined 44 officers, while they got off scott free. >> there is one probation lieutenant demoted. everyone was at the rank of sergeant and below. >> it all fell on the soldiers of rank and file. they don't develop the strategies or the orders. >> reporter: they declined to comment on the union's allegations because of the ongoing court case. but the attorney who is representing the victims of the police abuse and the federal court takeover of the department said that it runs deeper and that, in fact, the rank and file do show some of the blame. >> the issue that they were wrong and each one of these cases. it was improper. if they acted properly i