uniqlo is a great example.want a high return on investment for their time. >> they closed 275 stores since 2010. erik: do they need to do more? >> obviously, we talked about this last time. the country is over-stored. there are probably too many. really, where is the excitement in the store? at one point, you had a line out the door and the shutters were dark and it was cool, but things have evolved. that is what retail is about. it is about evolving, not revolution. revolution would mean that the whole concept was wrong in the first place. nothing different from kate spade and others coming back. with the right leadership and product, it is still a great brand name. maybe it is bigger in europe than it is in the u.s. right now. stephanie: for me, it is never about waiting in line in the cold on 5th avenue. erik: coming back to the conversation of abercrombie & fitch. stephanie: can they make a turnaround? we will find out. ♪ stephanie: welcome back to "market makers." we are back with michael gould rachel steg