unitarians are not known as having memorized revelations.highlights the degree to which this apocalyptic millennial thinking is everywhere. as i said yesterday, the vast majority of northerners, black and white, men and women understood the civil war in apocalyptic terms. not symbolically, but literally. hence, she draws on the language that resonates profoundly. so let me briefly discuss the influence. during the war itself, "john brown's body" was far more influential than "the battle hymn of the republic." one of the reasons is, how many in this room have memorized the battle hymn of the republic? i am impressed. there is maybe two or three hands. it is a very sophisticated poem that requires a lot of work to memorize. john brown is a folk song, easy , anyone can learn the song repeat the first three lines. you do not have to be literate. for a soldier it is very easy to seeing to march to -- to sing to march to. john brown speaks more profoundly to common soldiers. it is not only a symbol ballad that is easy to memorize. it plays on the

i know i'm lapsed unitarian. >> can you be a lapsed unitarian? >> check it out. this is what you get. >> from what you're saying, let me push you on something else right here. if this is a process and it's things are going toward, with any luck something that's even better with be did jefferson think this could only be -- i mean the union became very much an exceptionalist concept by the mid 19th century. is it that way in jefferson's mind? could this happen somewhere else? >> there is an exceptional dimension. you know the city on the hill idea that we've heard from ronald reagan as he was channeled john winthrop that idea that united states is an exemplary nation the example suggests that others can follow. but "follow" is the key word. they will become more enlightened in the fullness of time. what's remarkable about the american people is -- these are the people who made the revolution -- is that they -- they're all literal mostly, except in places like virginia -- just joking. i come from new england. i can't help it. they're largely literal. >> new england

when i flew into denver yesterday on thursday, i went directly to the first unitarian society church meet arturo hernandez garcia, an undocumented immigrant and father of two. since october, he has sought sanctuary at the church as he fights his deportation. i also met his 9-year old daughter andrea, who is a united states citizen. her status means he may be allowed to stay in the country under president obama's new deferred action program starting in may -- if he is not deported before then. andrea was with her father when i went to interview him last night. we just arrived at the unitarian church in denver and we are coming to see arturo garcia hernandez, who is taken refuge here. he is taken sanctuary here. the first one to do this in denver since the 1980's. hi, i'm amy goodman. can you tell me how you ended up living in this church? >> it is hard. i have wondered 15 days here are ready. >> why did you come here? >> the risk of deportation. october 21, i have my final order for deportation. the reason i'm coming here, i want to fight my case. >> can you tell me what happened? how

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about franklin and voltaire and i wonder if he is aware of voltaires and how that was -- british unitarian minister who said the purpose of miracles is to prevents the knee for miracles. >> host: why is this of interest to you. >> gus baas of the fossil water in the aqua fer. the debate between the american philosophical society about voltaire's theory of spontaneous -- is because of sea shells in the andes and jefferson didn't think it was a miracle. he did this before the plate tectonics and i'm concerned about protecting the water in the aqua fer but down in the last ice age, 10 to 12,000 years ago, and i think we're living as a similar time now, and james love locke british biologist and ologist, has posited that the earth -- the name for the earth is gia, and he thinks we have developed these communications systems which i can't use. i have naoto sensitive enlens see -- >> host: nancy, we'll leave it there. >> guest: i think that if you look at einstein jefferson and franklin they were -- why the fossils were leonardo da vinci figures its out too. it's not just miracles. it's natural