is selzo, also, delores huerta, the legendary co-founder, along with cesar chavez, of the united farmworkers unionn enforcement agent, mike cutler. selzo, thank you for doing this. i know it isn't easy. we showed some tape earlier in the show, some people living in nebraska who are dealing with a new immigrant population in their community. they are -- they feel many things, and i think including fear. in fact, we invited them to come here to san diego. they couldn't to join us with the dialogue we are having tonight. but you know there is all this fear of the immigrant population and what they are coming here to do, what they might mean to this country. but on the other side of this issue, you are living in fear on a day-to-day basis. a fear of what might happen to you, someone in mike's job if they find you, might have you shipped out in fear of what your future can be even if you are able to stay in this country. >> yes. i mean, i think both sides of the argument have fear. and i think fear is what is keeping us from solving the issues that affect us. this issue of immigration. i think that if