united states or iraq. together we put together a similar strategy that beat al-qaeda in 2005 and onward. iraq has chosen the united states as its preferred partner. our relationship is governed by the strategic framework agreement which we don't have with any country. our government has purchased more than $10 billion worth of equipment from the united states and we are planning to buy billions more. and we are doing this with our own funds. still, there are some confusions about american intentions. there are some in iraq who are unsure about the administration's response to iraq. the administration wants us to believe they are providing limited support to us now and are using the prospect of u.s. air support and other military assi assistance to encourage reform in baghdad. however, i have to tell you that not everyone in baghdad believes this. we have people unsure and think washington's intention is to create precondition we cannot satisfy and move the goal post to make sure we don't satisfy them. such suspicions are highly corrosive to the relationship. if iraqis don't believe that m

and equipment. we have done some good work to rush some equipment there but we need to do more. just this week, iraq's ambassador to the united states lamented the slow space from iraq and russia. we should improve material to iraq. sixth, we should support the isf with air strikes in order to degrade isis' capability. you cannot drone strike or air strike your way out of this. it must be a counter offensive in order to attack isis. seventh, we should support the kurds and enable them to defend themselves against isis. they are slightly armed and underequipped. they are stretched very thin and when isis turns on them, they will be outgunned and over matched. there's a complex relationship between baghdad and irbil. i understand that. why wouldn't we prevent the oil rich north from falling into isis' hands. finally, this falls on a willing partner in baghdad that is willing to accept these changes and to help develop an effective i schl f. second, as we all discussed, there must be a political climate where the sunnis and kurds feel that accommodation for them and they can join in a unified military action. in conclusion, it the stro

the united states out of iraq, keeping the united states from any kind of re-engagement militarily in iraq, will be an interest which trumps their orerest in the feeding isis stabilizing iraq, and we will find ourselves more at odds with the revolutionary gods in -- guards in iraq. i think we should try to prevent that by sending messages through the channels that we have two iran about what our intentions are and what we are trying to do and what consequences iran should expect it a find themselves running afoul of that. i do not the that requires tactical battlefield cooperation or that sort of thing, in part, because iran operates fundamentally differently than the united states does. i do not think there would be any sort of natural overlap. >> thank you very much. ambassador hof, give us your latest insights on how syria plays into this and the broader thoughts on the entire situation. >> thanks. perhaps it would be useful if i give sort of an overview of the prospect of some kind of practical cooperation between the united states and the assad regime with respect to the isis threat in syria. i, too, will use isis as the word. this issue has come into considerable prominen

there was wariness from the united states and iraq and afghanistan, america brought most of its troopsome. we can't afford war weariness in this country. after 66 years of war, and we cannot bring any troops hope because the troops are home. they're fighting for their homes. and i think the average israelis understand that, and that's why you have the consensus from the people you see hend behind me. >> michael orrin, thank you for your insight. i appreciate it. >>> later, a different perspective. i'll be right back. you know that feeling when in keyou've realized most of what you've learned has little to do with your actual job. oh jerry, last quarter's numbers... can you figure out the discrepancies? umm. and your response is? no. that's why university of phoenix faculty average 18 years on the job experience. so you learn from someone who's been there. go to phoenix.edu to get started today. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot

the united states out of iraq, keeping the united states from any kind of re-engagement militarily in iraq, will be an interest which trumps their orerest in the feeding isis stabilizing iraq, and we will find ourselves more at odds with the revolutionary gods in -- guards in iraq. i think we should try to prevent that by sending messages through the channels that we have two iran about what our intentions are and what we are trying to do and what consequences iran should expect it a find themselves running afoul of that. i do not the that requires tactical battlefield cooperation or that sort of thing, in part, because iran operates fundamentally differently than the united states does. i do not think there would be any sort of natural overlap. >> thank you very much. ambassador hof, give us your latest insights on how syria plays into this and the broader thoughts on the entire situation. >> thanks. perhaps it would be useful if i give sort of an overview of the prospect of some kind of practical cooperation between the united states and the assad regime with respect to the isis threat in syria. i, too, will use isis as the word. this issue has come into considerable prominen

the iranians offered to help the united states and iraq with the situation with isis. and now we have the united states saying that the only reason they did that was because they would want to have concessions on the nuclear talks. however t the bigger picture, iran has the superior ground force than ours and they would be able to help eliminate isis, then by not doing this, we are em bolstering that group and it could lead to them take okay like the state of israel, surrounding all of israel and taking them on. thank you. host: host thank you. patrick clawson? guest: the iranian offer to help with isis is an offer to arm, train, finance the viciously anti-sunni militias in iran that have been so effective in driving the sunni population into the arms of isis. and so what iran's proposing to do would be terribly counterproductive in that it would drive together the sunni population and these extremists in isis whereas the only way isis can be defeated is if we can make this not a sectarian conflict and we can drive a wedge between the isis and the great majority of sunn

military help can significantly change and provide a more i would say influenced for the united states and iraq. this is a test to that relationship. >> there is a question about whether it has a genuine concern. >> we never doubt that. the provision we know that the united states is serious and they understand the scale and the threat and we never doubt that. doubted that. however what we are saying is we need more because of the urgency on the ground and that is what we are talking about so we are not disputing the commitment of the united states to iraq. the issue is the scale that we are talking about. >> thank you for the discussion and the patience in answering difficult questions. please join me in thanking the ambassador first. [applause] >> please remain seated until the ambassador leaves. thank you very much. >> a live look inside of the houshouse office building on cal hill. we are coming up in a few minutes the house veterans affairs committee will be holding another hearing on the veteran affairs department. members tonight will focus on the role of whistleblowers who report inadeq

secretary of homeland security and the attorney general have allstated publically that the islamic state of iraq in syria, isis or isil pose a direct threat to the united states. do you agree? >> yes. >> you do agree. >> would you agree that iraq and syria are now effectively one conflict that we can't address isis and iraq without addressing it in syria and vice versa, particularly with reports that we see published reports of equipment that was captured in iraq now showing up in syria? >> i think it is one theater. you have to think of it as a tigris and eufrades valley theater. >> this riches and largest base of terrorism that i know of is both iraq and syria, this enclave. >> that is exactly what it's trying to do, trying to establish it. >> have they achieved it pretty well so far? >> since june the iraq/syria border has more or less collapsed. >> that means if we are going to take action in iraq we should also take action in syria, would you agree? >> again, these are all options that are being looked at, senator. >> i am wondering if you would agree with that. i'm not asking whether you are examining options or not. >> as i mentioned, in order t

united states' side. further delay benefits only the terrorists. but decisive action against common threats will serve our common interests in a stable and secure iraqstriving to build an inclusive democracy after decades of despotism and divisiveness. the united states and iraq are forever tied together before -- because of our lost lives and treasures by both of our countries over the last decades, in our common fight against terrorism and extremism. now that the iraqi political process is progressing towards a solution, we hope our american allies will move forward with a robust security assistance package during our time of need. together, we can defeat the terrorist -- non terrorism who are our common enemy, and build a secure and stable iraq which is our common goal. thank you, america, for everything that you have done together, and everything that we will do together. if we act decisively at this crucial moment, then years from now our children and grandchildren will read about tyranny and terrorism in their history books and peace and prosperity in the daily newspapers. this is our goal and i know it is yours as well. let me thank the atlan

and hatred of the united states which has proliferated and are now operational in more than 16 countries. a great concern is the fanatical islamic state of islam in syria which has conquered much of western iraq, slaughtering thousands on the way. the territory it holds greatly expands the sanctuary for terrorists and increases the threat to the united state and the west. while that group has been a growing threat over the last months and years it has accelerated advances suggest that the word has been that the world is a more dangerous place. dozens of americans and as many as a thousand europeans have traveled to join in the conflict. the danger is very real that they may redirect their battlefield skills they have acquired and return to our shores to attack us. al qaeda in the arabian finance possesses advanced bomb making skills which have now been passed extremist in syria and iraq and that poses a serious threat to us. in particular, of course, to commercial aviation. homeland parallelism that is terrorist attacks launched by lone wolves who have been radicalized over the internet is another rising danger. the 9/11 commission recommendations centered on how to protect this country from

the kurds in northern iraq have long been a strong ally of united states and they have played an important role in countering the rapid advance of isis. when i went to iraq a long time ago the bullets were flying. the kurds, i found them to get what this was all about and there were so much prejudice against the kurds. the kurdish militia offered his support iraqi security forces when isis began its offensive in mosul. kurdish forces have kept much of northern iraq out of terrorist hands. kurdistan has become a destination for hundreds of thousands of iraqis fleeing from isis controlled territory and you know i have to say as i watch mr. maliki, i don't think he appreciates it. as the iraqis continue to work to determine their future i am asking you what role can the kurds continue to play and should the united states acknowledged that the kurds should have a significant amount of autonomy? i think they have earned it and i wonder what the administration's position is vis-À-vis the kurds and more autonomy for the kurds? >> thank you senator. we are in a very active conversation with all th

secretary of homeland security and the attorney general have allstated publically that the islamic state of iraq in syria, isis or isil pose a direct threat to the united states. do you agree? >> yes. >> you do agree. >> would you agree that iraq and syria are now effectively one conflict that we can't address isis and iraq without addressing it in syria and vice versa, particularly with reports that we see published reports of equipment that was captured in iraq now showing up in syria? >> i think it is one theater. you have to think of it as a tigris and eufrades valley theater. >> this riches and largest base of terrorism that i know of is both iraq and syria, this enclave. >> that is exactly what it's trying to do, trying to establish it. >> have they achieved it pretty well so far? >> since june the iraq/syria border has more or less collapsed. >> that means if we are going to take action in iraq we should also take action in syria, would you agree? >> again, these are all options that are being looked at, senator. >> i am wondering if you would agree with that. i'm not asking whether you are examining options or not. >> as i mentioned, in order t

address something that michael said i mean it's you know the united states you know it least officially brought democracy to iraq all right and then the democratically elected government asked the united states to leave i mean the united states can't have it both ways can it mean. that easy or not for me like this there will be you know i know a lot of foreign. somehow you go out and i cannot believe that all your gentlemen go we underestimate the military power of the united states it is the largest military infrastructure ever built in the history of the world they have the largest navy that was ever constructed in the history of the world they have the most resources they have individuals that are heavily involved in war there these are dogs of war these are dogs of hell that love their job and want to be good at it and want to continue it and you don't think that these guys are dark hole initially scott's never read military his urine off if you had read military hero i've got anything to read military history you would know that there's a huge difference between military power in the projection of power and control and i

united states is the willingness and the capacity to confront error and correction it. both domestically, internallie where we have made henley mistakes and in foreign areas. >> how does the united states correct iraq if you see it as a problem that the united states needs to correct and arise? some would say -- not some type of most would agree with the statement, the idea that the rise in the us lamest movement in the middle east is supposed -- can be directly related, attributed to the war in iraq? >> i strongly disagree with that. >> i thought you might. i thought you might. >> go back and read history. the history of iraq didn't begin with the american invasion. >> right. >> there have been conflict for hundreds of years. for 425 years, prior to the versailles peace conference in 1919, there was no iraq. so the notion that conflict began with the united states is plainly faults and contrat i couldn't. we do have a problem. we should help. but ultimately the people of iraq who would decide. the people of syria who will decide the future of syria, egyptians who will decide the future of egypt. we should encourage, insist, especially those and there are many who want more open, tolerant rege-mail

iraq who eliminated the kurds alienated the sonny and remember the u.s. pulled out of iraq in two thousand and ten really weakening whatever leverage the united states had except for supply which hasn't gotten there yet of f. sixteen i agree that we should approach all this cases individually but they all have one common denominator and this is the involvement of being of the united states and i understand that as an american citizen you would be feeling compelled to defend american foreign policy especially on the russian t.v. not for a but as a as a scholar i hope objective calling dante a thing that damn merican foreign policy creates more problems than it solved well let me start by saying i'm not a defender of american policy here i think obama's policies in the middle east have been very close to a disaster his failure to intervene in syria when he could have and there would have been a more positive result will go down as the biggest stain in his in the character of the united states there i think his decision to pull out of iraq before a power sharing system had been set up with maliki in two thousand and ten was a very big mistake and i think we're se

>> neither iran or the united states has an interest in a massive bloody protracted civil war in iraq. both the united states andiran have an interest in greater stability in this region. and i think that it would be at least advisable to explore the possibility whether this common interest and stability can produce some sort of an agreement comparable to nixon's opening to china. that didn't make china our ally. it didn't have the immediate effect of bringing about political change in china. but it did change the strategic balance in ways that were favorable to us and favorable to the rest of the world. >> what is it about how we go to war? we poured blood and treasure into vietnam and iraq and wound up with exactly the opposite consequences that we wanted. we keep repeating here in the same arguments and claims that we should do it again. >> war itself is evil. but war is an evil that should command our respect. war is something that we should not take lightly. we should not discuss frivolously. and i think that that's one of the great failings of our foreign policy establishment. that our foreign policy estab

>> going through my head that was save moment when both the united states and iraq failed to each other and themselves when the prime minister was confused if you wanted an american presence that history shows it is beneficial about whether or not it wanted to stay in history has proven it would have been better. >> i know with that give and take publicly is that your impression of what happened during that time? >> very briefly the administration following the recommendation of the of military leaders offered to keep the troops and in essence the maliki government and most political parties agree to have troops that were called up from the of the question of the status of forces agreement they controlled the city's in parliament said he would not move any further to undercut 2008 with there earlier agreement and frankly time ran out. in terms of how enthusiastic the administration was i had my instructions to get an agreement. >> thank you both for that clarification there has been the discussion of the order of steps to take place and talking about the political situation in some of y

iraqe aware of the processes within the united states institutions for approval and there are stakeholders who have to approve. yes, we expect that. but we expect the other to respect our own choices. from thechoice is need, rather than desire. and i assureg list you that no one would want to go to a secondhand purchase if he can get the best. we have these purchases them prime -- in the pipeline, but the timeline will not help us. >> the regional solutions. and wenow for a fact have been saying for a while that we have been victims of terrorism for the last 10 years. and we know the majority of them are not from iraq. until recently, none of the fighters were iraqi intel recently. -- until recently. now with the situation in seriocomic become -- became -- in syria, it became a global phenomenon. it has become a terrorism destination for blowing up schools and the like. and we have afghanistan, chechnya, others. we know that this is a global phenomenon. and it requires a global solution. and we have said to our region,s, no one in the noneaudi arabia, not iran, are immune from it. this is

i think that what was going through my head, both the united states and iraq failed each other and themselves a moment when i think that prime minister maliki was, at best, ambivalent and history has proven would have been beneficial to him. and the united states was ambivalent itself about whether it wanted to stay. >> and our focus needs to be on the future but i know ambassador jeffrey has had a give and take publicly in writing about this. is that your impression of what happened during that time? just very brefly. i want to move on to other things. >> very briefly, the administration following the recommendation of its military leaders and my recommendation in 2010 offered to keep troops on. in essence, the maliki government and most of the political parties agreed to have troops that got hung up on the question of a status of forces agreement. al maliki was reluctant to do this. controlling the sunnis in government said he would not move any further than maliki would move that undercut how we had done the deal back in 2008 when we had gotten the earlier agreement and, frankly, time ran

in both iraq and syria. >> and what role did president obama's refusal to intervene militarily in syria play in all of that? >> we definitely saw that after -- after july, when the united states did not intervene in syria, forces inside of iraq and syria were emboldened. >> do you have any sense how many fighters isis has? >> my estimates are very conservative. i think that we're looking at about 4,000 fighters on the iraq front and about 6,000 fighters on the syrian front totalling about 10,000. the trouble, though, particularly open the iraq front is that they're not the only ones on the offensive against the government right now. >> when isis takes over a city, mosul, what do they establish there? what is life like under isis? >> what isis nrinitially did wa establish a set of rules for social behavior and included some restrictions, particularly upon women, and upon praying five times a day, just very strict sharia law that one would assume would be very vigorously enforced. >> they took about killing, cutting off hands, crucifixion. >> they live tweeted a corporal punishment beheading. they took credit for crucifixions. >> what is isis' strategy? what is its ambition? >>

they going to regret not getting slightly more involved with this type of threat in iraq and syria. >> the united states is not disengaged in iraq. the united states knows very well how insidious and dangerous the islamic state. but united states believe, you and i believe only, the most effective means to defeat the islamic state is to do what? create a national unity and that's why first a national unity government made up of all communities and begin. >> that's a tall order. it hasn't happened with much efficiency yet. fawaz gerg guess, thanks for being with us. quickly to richard quest with more on what's going on. the dow down almost 300 points. what's happening? >> we can't really pin it to any one particular can reason, whether it's the earnings or the argentina debt default or the sanctions against russia, whether it's simply worries about deflation in europe. europe had a very sharply lower day. all these worries are feeding into new york. you can see very clearly. the market opens down quite sharply. as the day progresses, those losses accelerate. we've been down now as you can see on this num

and iraq was to withdraw america. power. it will left iraq in the hands of a sectarian government without the influence of the united states. we were in there it did not act in a sectarian way. it had iraq and sunni army paid by the central government. it held together we left that change overnight in the absence of our influence. that was utterly predictable and predicted. in syria when obama spoke he had to go he left a vacuum into which the bad guys went iran hezbollah and russia. this is what always happens. that's the reason we are where we are today. you create a vacuum the bad guys came. >> a poll says the country is war weary and worn out. does the country have the will bu does this president have the will to present this threat? >> there's a tendency to swing from the last two administrations from massive involvement, ground troops to the opposite your honor der obama. we won't think about air strikes let alone ground troops. we have to find a sustainable balanced approach one that doesn't abandon the region one that doesn't impose on the american public an ongoing crisis that clearly they don't want to sustain. i t

release on this issue the missile directly supports the government of iraq and serves the interests of the people of iraq and the united states it also says that iraq will use the hellfire missiles to help improve iraq's security forces keep ability to support current ongoing ground operations we now human rights groups have been critical of the use of missiles since they have reportedly been fired at residential neighborhoods and cities where isis has been present specifically human rights watch has called on the u.s. to not send weapons to iraq until baghdad acts in accordance with international law and says if you're going to r.t. or. three d. printing as revolutionize the world once just a concept like the holodeck from star trek you can pretty much three d. print anything you wish these days maybe even a warhead artie's mega lopez explores this new army technology. we've heard of three d. printed guns or bubbleheads or pizza space x. founder ilan musk even proved to the world that you can see three d. printing a rocket engine but as is the case with most up and coming technology the military has taken particularly intere

are talking about so we are never disputing in any way, shape or form the commitment of the united states and iraq. that is into the issue. the issue is the scale of the support that we are talking about. >> thank you very much for the discussion and four patience in answering this question. please join me in thanking the ambassador. [applause] i would ask you again please remain seated until the ambassador leaves. thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] >> our lineup tonight includes hillary clinton on her but "hard choices a memoir." former senator and candidate rick santorum in a south carolina congressman james clyburn talking about his life and blessed experiences genuinely southern proudly black. it gets under way at eight eastern here on c-span2. >>> my first reaction was a surprise because i had worked for this story. i coached the clippers in the year 2000. he invited me to his daughter's wedding and i had no idea x. ackley what was going on. but also because of my association, i knew what he was complaining about. so i was confused not knowing exactly which set of facts mr. stirli

the iranians offered to help the united states and iraq with the situation with isis. now we have the united states saying that the only reason they did that was because they would want to have concessions on the nuclear talks. however t the bigger picture, iran has the superior ground force than ours and they would be able to help eliminate isis, then by not doing this, we are em bolstering that group and it could lead to them take okay like the state of israel, surrounding all of israel and taking them on. thank you. host: host thank you. patrick clawson? guest: the iranian offer to help with isis is an offer to arm, train, finance the viciously anti-sunni militias in iran that have been so effective in driving the sunni population into the arms of isis. and so what iran's proposing to do would be terribly counterproductive in that it would drive together the sunni population and these extremists in isis whereas the only way isis can be defeated is if we can make this not a sectarian conflict and we can drive a wedge between the isis and the great majority of sunnis.

and so when you're looking at a situation we're obviously looking at iraq, afghanistan and so forth, the way you approach them in today as the united states is i think to recognize that we are a necessary but usually not sufficient force to affect the policy objective we're seeking. >> rose: and we conclude this evening with the minister of tourism from france, fleur pellerin. >> we have great entrepreneurs. even in france. we have great talents. we need to be more proud about that. we need to focus on the promotion of these people because they are the the gold mine of our economy and of our society for the future. so we need to work on the irritants on things that are not all right, which exist as in every other country. >> rose: carter and pellerin when we continuement funding for charl yee rose is provided by the following:. >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: ashton carter is here, he served as deputy secretary of defense from october 2011 to december 2013. in that role he oversaw an annual budget of more than $600 billion and managed 2.4 million civilian and military personnel. his academic background

lou: in iraq, kurdish forces seizing two more oil fields, they walked out of the government to be, if you will. nothing seems to be going right for the united states policy in iraq, and certainly nothing are about the al-maliki government. >> you know, you get the impression that obama thinks he can ignore it by saying it's all maliki's fault or surprise, surprise it's all bush's fault. i'm afraid it's all going to be his fault when it explodes. we have something truly dangerous for the united states, al qaeda state declared, the caliphate declared on the territory of syria and iraq, the u.s. has no serious response. lou: senate republicans are calling on the obama administration to send an assessment team, full, to evaluate what is happening in terms of the isil threat against as well. jordan now. your reaction. >> i think these people have made it clear, they said abdullah abdullah we're coming, the only question is king abdullah of jordan or king abdullah of saudi arabia. they have us in their gun sights. they are recruiting american citizens, european citizens, the kind people who do not have to sneak across the southern border to get into the united states. we c