former united states attorney general michael good to have you here again. >> good to be here. >> judge jeanine: did you ever say i don't know that many times even in one hearing? >> i don't know whether i said that. >> judge jeanine: that is a good answer. all right. can you imagine not being aware of an investigation like the unprecedented seizure of those ap records if you were the top law enforcement officer in the country and the law requires you too actually sign a subpoena if you go for are a subpoena. >> the attorney general testified he reduced himself. >> judge jeanine: we don't have a recusal letter or memo. we don't have a date of the recusal. we know when shows up in front of congress that he reduced himself. why should we believe him? >> i can recall recusing myself at least ones. makes sense to do that because otherwise the other people involved in the investigation won't know that you have been recused and may come to you with information that you shouldn't have. you can't reduc recuse yoursely shouting in your office i recuse myself. >> judge jeanine: he either is stupi

attorney general of the united states. he acted without restraint, without discretion, without good judgment. >> if i can just say, rich lowery and michaelious people. he acted with terrible judgment on this. this is a absolutely outrageous assault on the first amendment, the freedom of the press, and if you had inserted the word bush after president instead of obama on this, i can't begin to imagine, you know, what the reaction to this is. >> howard? >> without -- i would take out the word outrageous and i would agree. i think is there a problem here. this is what i predicted a couple of weeks ago when they had the irs scandal which turns out not to be a scandal. the ben ghazi which the republicans have been pedaling a year and a half. this is the up wione that stick. i'm on the side of the presses. i'm not on the side of their hin skinn thin-skinned. but the fact is the first amendment -- >> could you add whiny too? >> yeah. >> but the first amendment really is important. without the first amendment, this democracy doesn't survive as long as it has. we have had a pretty good run and because of the first amendment but this is a legitima