united states from 2008 to 2011 he is currently a professor at boston university. his book is called "magnificent delusions: pakistan and the united states and an epic history of misunderstanding." mr.please welcome back to the program husain haqqanis and applause] very nice to see you again. magnificent delusions, the premise here is that pakistan and the united states are not really allies, that they are -- have a very uncomfortable relationship. is that true? [laughter] >> let me just say that americans sometimes make the mistake of thinking that the only thing we need to know about the rest of the world is who do we shoot or who do we take out for lunch. international lee relationships are sometimes more complex than that. >> jon: what? and pakistan is just the right country. >> jon: you are telling us this now? >> i would have told 50 years ago, too, but you had to be able to make the mistakes for me to write the book. >> jon: let me say this in true american fashion. ment you're welcome. >> thank i have much. [ laughter ] >> jon: do you think -- thank you very much. >> jon: do you think these are magnificent delusions and misunderstandings or we both really know what we're getting from the other side? >> actually if it was a

my guest tonight former pakistani ambassador to the united states husain haqqani is on the program.begin tonight with the national security administration which is the subject of the new ongoing series "that thing they said they are not doing, they are totally doing." [laughter] over the past six months or so people have been playing something of a fun little game with the n.s.a. the n.s.a. tells us they are not doing something and then we found out they are totally doing it. [ laughter ] for instance, -- >> nobody is listening to to your telephone calls. >> jon: turns out they are totally listening to your telephone calls. they storing them in this giant utah fortress of surveilitude. next. >> with respect to the internet and e-mails, this does not allow to united states citizens. >> jon: go on. >> the obama administration quietly won permission a couple years ago from a surveillance court to have the n.s.a. search for the communications of americans intercepted phone calls and the like. >> jon: on the bright side, under this plan, if you like your n.s.a. spy -- [laughter] -- you g