united states do? so far the united states has given the ukraine government and ukraine military defensive type of equipment. we've been very careful not to give them any offensive because we don't want to rile russia anymore. so you're going to see the question being asked then of how much further can we go? >> right. helene cooper, pentagon correspondent for "the new york times," really always appreciate your expertise and perspective here, helene. thank you. >> thank you. >>> i want to take a moment to remember a longtime force in american politics and, of course, the democratic party. he's a man known both for his decency and for reinventing the role of the presidency. walter mondale died last night at his home in minneapolis. known to many as fritz, mondale was a senator from minnesota before becoming jimmy carter's running mate in 1976. mondale was the first vice president to have a west wing office and weekly scheduled lunches with the president. then vice president joe biden credited mondale as the role model for how he did the job working for barack obama. mondale talked about transforming the presidency on the "meet the press" 30th anniversary special in 1977. >> i think the role that the president has permitted me to play is unprecedented in american history. i'm privy to all of the classified and secret information. i serve on the national security council and all of its subcommittees. i serve on all of the crucial policy committees, and i have virtually unlimited access to the president. i think that is unprecedented. i think the president has been very kind and gracious to me. i find it a great challenge. and something that i'm most grateful for. >> the carter/mondale ticket lost in 1980 and mondale became the presidential nominee against then president ronald reagan in 1984. he selected new york congresswoman geraldine ferraro as his running mate, first woman to be touted for that role. they lost in a landed slide carrying only his native minnesota and washington, d.c. mondale would later serve as clinton's ambassador to japan and, of course, a last-minute candidate for a minnesota senate seat in 2002 following the death of paul wellstone. and a final note to his former staffer, mondale wrote this on monday, just hours before he died. before i go, i wanted to let you know how much you mean to me. never has a public servant ever had a better group of people working at his side. and he was on a fishing pier with his dog. vice president mondale was 93. what happens when we welcome change? 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>> good. give us the best observation you can give us inside that room. what is the divide -- how big is the divide between the two sides in your view, and how much of it seems -- how much of it is too big? is the divide more on scope of the package or how to pay for it? >> you know, that's a great question, chuck. i think that a couple observations if i might. there was a great spirit of bipartisanship in that meeting yesterday. republicans, democrats, independents, and i thought that was very important for the tone. you talk about what's the difference, is it going to be the matter of numbers in terms of the scope of the bill, $800 billion as you mentioned from senator cornyn and then all the way to $2.1 trillion from president biden. i think it's going to be at the higher end. i think the president is cognizant of the fact that we're in a deep problem here. a lot of people are still out of work. it's shifting more to a jobs plan, frankly, instead of an infrastructure plan as he mentioned yesterday. and we talked about the everglades here, a floridian, the everglades in florida, how important that would be in terms of infrastructure. 8 million of my fellow floridians get our fresh water from the everglades. we also touched on solar energy, how important that is not only from the sunshine state that i'm from but also the country for renewable energy. you see what a beautiful day it is here in washington, to have that kind of renewable energy, wind, as you mentioned water replacing oil as an important material to the future of the world, as was described in the earlier report. i think there's a lot of climate change issues that are going to be part of this infrastructure plan, this jobs plan, and i'm encouraged by that. when i was talking about the everglades, carlos jimenez, the former mayor of miami-dade county chimed in and said i agree with charlie about the everglades in florida. this is something that ought to be included in the infrastructure package, jobs package. but we differed a bit how to pay for it, talking about the corporate tax and some other items. >> you and i can go off on a tangent. good luck trying to use solar power in florida. there's a regulatory bottleneck and if you're an individual trying to do it, basically it's being discouraged. but i won't get there. >> you can indeed argue that. >> it seems to be designed to prevent you from actually having solar panels if you want them. but let me ask you about the group of people that were there. no disrespect, but governors and mayors are the most reasonable -- and i say this with no disrespect. that was a little tongue in cheek. these are the most reasonable people you will find in congress. why? you all have to deal with city councils or legislators. you all had to deal with basically corralling the person farthest away from you but that you still needed their vote so you understand this ability. i hate to put it this way, isn't that the wrong group of people? your group is not big enough to be bipartisan, is it? >> i think it's good to hear from those voices though. your point is well taken. one experience that i have with president biden, when i was governor, we had the great recession. not great at all, as a matter of fact. but president obama, i was then a republican and he a democrat, invited me to go to ft. myers to be with him to literally embrace the stimulus package at the time. i did so, reaching across the aisle because i thought it was important, and you're right. your more pragmatic as a mayor and governor. you have to find the path forward in order to get the right things done for the people at large, for all of the people. as i used to say when i was elected as a republican as governor before, i wasn't elected governor of the republicans of florida, i was elected for the people of florida. that's how a mayor thinks and how president biden is thinking. he's doing an extraordinary job and he kept a great tone during our meeting yesterday, listening to everyone, looking everyone in the eye, getting their feedback and the stories they had to share about when they were a mayor at one place or another and had an issue to deal with and find compromise to get it done. and that was the bottom line and that was important. >> i guess what is the plan -- you've had firsthand experience. how do you have that conversation with an elected official who says, you know what, you're making a good point but my voters aren't going to believe it? >> that's typical. but i believe in people, and i believe that most people are pretty rational. there's extremes on both ends. we both know that. that's just something we're living with. but by and large, most people believe in the same kind of things. they want a good education for their kids, a clean environment for our society, safe streets for our people and opportunity to excel economically if you had those god-given abilities. so we're really not that far apart. i think we can come up with good compromise. one example is talking about the percentage of corporate tax. maybe going up to 28% according to the president's proposal. maybe not want to get that high from some of the republicans in the senate. time will tell, but i think we can get to a good place. we have to, really, for the american people. >> republicans are turning their fire on your colleague maxine waters for comments she said about the derek chauvin trial. where do you stand on this? do you have any issue with what she said, and do you think the republicans are upset in good faith? >> it didn't sound to me like she was advocating violence. she said we need to be present, we need to show up, we need to express our views and that's appropriate. that's called freedom of speech when i went to law school and the first amendment. that's important for people to be reminded of, peaceful protest is fine, it's part of our american heritage. it's what gives us our voice dis that be at the time and it should never be violent, obviously, what we experienced back here on january 6th, but, my god, to silence people and not have them be able to express their point of view, we don't want to go there either, and there's a balance that needs to be nonviolent and productive and peaceful. that's what we have to look for. a big decision in the trial coming up soon, i pray as the president is for peace and calm. >> congressman, charlie crist, democrat from the tampa area, thank you. >> my pleasure. >>> up next, electric vehicles could be a major key to tackle the climate crisis, but won't be easy getting them up and running. we'll explain, next. bipolar depression. it's a dark, lonely place. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. emptiness. a hopeless struggle. the lows of bipolar depression can disrupt your life and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms, and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. now i'm feeling connected. empowered. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrollable muscle movements as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. this is where i want to be. talk to your doctor and ask if latuda could make the difference you've been looking for in your bipolar depression symptoms. >>> welcome back. nbc news is taking a special look at the climate crisis this week ahead of earth day and ahead of the international climate summit this week as president bush gears up for that summit. this afternoon he will tour the electric car plant. the infrastructure plan the white house is proposing pushes $174 billion for electric vehicles. currently electric vehicles make up less than 2% on the road in the unitedan exclusive inside look at a plant in lordstown, ohio. >> if you think about it, chuck, if you wanted to go out today and buy a union made electric vehicle, you can't do that. if you even go to buy a tesla, the batteries are made from asia. and while the signals the federal government is sending through its own purchasing power is important, but what is really happening right here, what the auto industry is doing by signaling a different direction that will hasten this shift. inside the old cells which is going to be about the size of 30 football fields, we talked to executives that said they are designing battery cells that can be stacked in pouchs and you can have the same battery cells going into an electric cadillac or an electric hummer. they hope creating those new options will make it possible for more consumers to choose electric vehicles over gas gusling combustion engines that make up about one-third of our greenhouse gas emissions, and when you think about the politics here