president trump has clearly said that the united states is against this project buying gas from the united states would not be a problem for us but as long as russia's price is better than that of the united states russia is more attractive for us as upon on this issue i believe that as a form of businessmen trump can understand that we have different interests here nordstrom too is a gas pipeline with five big western investors including austrian oil and gas giant o.m.d. total cost of the project nine and a half billion euros or eleven billion dollars and it is due to open in twenty nineteen it is said to double imports from russia to europe washington has threatened to sanction all european firms working on the north stream to project claiming it could be used by russia as a political tool. rasmussen the executive vice president of the eurasia center says the us is sadly alienating its european partners with its firm stance on this project. mr kirk has been a very strong supporter of north korea all along and this is about energy security energy supply policy in europe not in the united states in europe and to buy elegy from the u.s. is you're goi

president trump has clearly said that the united states is against this project buying gas from the united states would not be a problem for us but as long as russia is prices beth of matter of united states russia is more attractive for us as upon on this issue i believe that as a former businessman trump can understand that we have different interests here the united states pretty much hates the north stream to gas line project and doesn't care who knows it in fact they've got as far as to put pressure on e.u. nations and on companies belonging to european countries saying that there could be potential sanctions put on them if they continue to associate with the pipeline the u.s. argument is that north stream two leaves the e.u. energy infrastructure overly reliant on russian gas and that could potentially be used as a political tool by moscow well that prompted the u.s. ambassador here in germany richard grinnell to send out letters at the beginning of the year to german companies involved in the project saying that there was a significant risk of sanctions should they continue their involvement a month later the ambassador was again talking ab

president trump has clearly said that the united states is against this project by the united states russia is more attractive for us as upon on this issue i believe that as a former businessman trump can understand that we have different interests here. well the austrian chancellor saying it comes down to business reasons that hasn't stopped the united states for looking for well any way it can really to try and derail the process project in fact washington's gone as far as to threaten u.s. sanctions on european companies that are involved in the development of north stream to their argument the argument coming from washington is that this leaves well it leaves europe overly reliant on russian gas and moscow could potentially use that as a political tool in january of this year the u.s. ambassador here in berlin richard grinnell sent out letters to a number of companies warning of significant risk of sanctions should they continue their involvement with north stream to a month later ambassador colonel again involved well he called on germany to use the project to try and leverage against r

russia refused to take any steps to return real compliance over these 60 days. the united states will therefore suspend its obligations under the inf treaty effective february 2. we will provide russia and the other treaty parties with formal notice the united states is withdrawing from the inf treaty in six months. pursuant to article 15 of the treaty. russia has jeopardized the united states' security interests and we can no longer be restricted by this treaty while russia flagrantly violates it. if russia does not return to verifiable compliance in a period by destroying launchers and equipment, the treaty will terminate. before close i want to give a , special thanks to our nato allies, who stood with us and our mission to uphold the rule of law and protect our people. their solidarity reflects the historical strength and unity of the nato alliance. their support is good for our shared security. it is good for international peace and security. president trump is grateful for all you have done. the united states is hopeful we can put our relationship with russia on a better fo

happens next well what happens max is so presumably that we will have an arms race in the united states also russia because the iron athey the eaves more space than for the military industrial complex in the united states and in russia to develop new rockets at this range between five hundred and five thousand five hundred kilometers of course the security industry will use this space and therefore an arms race is what we have to expect for what we expect mid term what the long term negotiations concerning an integration also china into it you are in a treaty arrangement does anyone benefit here well the military industrial complex complex of course but at its first people benefit less about europe because should it ever try to an escalation military escalation between the united states and russia. you can never guarantee that this will not happen in any case then of course europe and above all germany would be a nuclear battlefield and this is nothing we can take very easily ok rayna nice until he really good to get your thoughts on this i was running for office geo political analyst and consultan

is against this project buying gas from the united states would not be a problem for us but as long as russia's price is better than that of the united states russia is more attractive for us as upon on this issue i believe that as a form of businessmen trump can understand that we have different interests here chancellor trump reiterated his concerns about an old stream to which is the second phase of a pipeline network along the baltic sea bed washington has threatened to sanction european firms working on the project claiming it could be used by russia as a political tool the austrian oil and gas company o.m.d. has invested more than five hundred and thirty million euros into the pipeline so far now no stream two is a twelve hundred kilometer gas pipeline with four more western investors besides austria's oh and three total cost of the project is roughly nine point five billion euros or eleven billion dollars and with the endpoint in germany it would double imports from russia to europe and the austrian two was to open in nov twenty ninth and early rasmussen the executive vice president of t

ininterest to uphold ito it has to be in the interest of both parties and that's only the united states and russia it's not europe we are not part of this treaty. so the united states and russia will have to have an interest to uphold this treaty otherwise it's gonna die. europe is not part of this treaty but in fact europe is strongly affected by the outcome of the current era. of dispute chance ungrammatical at any rate certainly seems intent on a negotiated solution let's listen to some of her words and compare them with words out of russia. who insist gladys for us it's clear that russia has violated this treaty and that's why we must talk to russia? from the german side we will in any case do everything we can to make talks possible within the next six months. we don't display show through a movie can. unlimited comes to lead our american counterparts told is during the official meetings on various issues of disarmament and arms control. that the decision to withdraw from the i a group of the global order some their this is their ststatement. and we do. it looks at the somewhat contradictory

can afford not to talk to russia but if there is such a trend now in washington that the united states will just threaten russia i think it will be nowhere if the united states want to go back to the negotiate to negotiation table where it was but we are not we will not be the first to suggest of the americans because we see that for the time being there are no prospects for any kind of successful talks so let's wait for the time when america will get specter the notion that they should have constructive talks with russia and maybe it will give more results this event is a very important domestic political speech of course but there is always an international segment in this international segment mr poole can spend about ten or fifteen minutes talking about its main its first series on an international political scene the u.s. peace and he only said a few words about the likes of china and india just one sentence about the european union he didn't mention even as well at all for example why do you think that's the case. that. in such a speech. the president of wanted to put the stress

interest to uphold it so it has to be in the interest of both parties and that's only the united states and russia it's not europe we're not part of this treaty so the united states and russia will have to have an interest to uphold this treaty otherwise it's going to die europe is not part of this treaty but in fact europe is strongly affected by the outcome of the current. dispute chancellor angela merkel at any rate certainly seems intent on a negotiated solution let's listen to some of her words and compare them with words out of russia. clobbers for us it's clear that russia has violated this treaty and that's why we must talk to russia and from the german side we will in any case do everything we can to make to it's possible within the next six months. to a nuclear bomb when it comes to relieve their american counterparts told as during the official meetings on various issues of disarmament and arms control that the decision to withdraw from the i.m.f. treaty is final and not negotiable route to the water from this this is their statement. it looks good. somewhat contradictory those two stat

it's needs to stay bilateral in the united states and russia essentially need to work it out so the question is will the united states now in response put missiles in china perhaps to counter these chinese mission missiles and it's no longer going to adhere to the treaty administration officials have said that there's no plans right now they don't see that happening any time soon they are exploring other military response options russia has said that it will answer any u.s. move in kind thank you for that kristen salome live for us in washington about our for one of the last eisel controlled pockets of northern syria has a space tens of thousands of people u.s. bass kurdish forces have been fighting the armed in dairies or the u.n. refugee agency is calling for a transit side for civilians fleeing to our whole camp accounts population has tripled in the past two months osama bin job it before some guy on turkey's border with syria. for the last eight weeks kurdish fighters have been battling nicely one of the last pockets north of syria they're confident that most areas are now under their c

a bad idea for the united states to pull away from this quote important bilateral treaty and they are saying that the united the united states should focus on shoring it up with russia as opposed to expanding it to other countries so what is the united states going to do right now it says it's exploring all of its options i was going to ask you just that kristen in fact many is seeing this year with u.s. withdrawal from the i.m.f. perhaps as an excuse for the u.s. to deploy elsewhere what are we likely to see next. yes well as i said they are continuing military response options that is the line from the administration senior officials have told reporters that they don't expect any new missile deployments in the near future any tests that would be a more provocative violation of the terms of the agreement which they say they're entitled to do but they're not going that far at this point this is exactly why critics were afraid of this move or criticize the united states for taking this move because they are fearful that this will spark an arms race with russia again as russia has promised to react in kind if the united states were to make steps like that thank you fo

former ambassador to russia michael mcfaul is concerned. >> it's never good, in my opinion, for the united states and russia or the united states and china to be engaged in nuclear arms races. there is a reason why arms peace for four decades. >> reporter: moscow denied it ever violated the treaty and said it would only deploy intermediate range missiles if washington does. president trump says these changes mean the u.s. must find ways to have countermeasures to russia's land-based missiles that are causing so much concern in europe. jose? >> kelly o'donnell in west palm beach, thank you. a reminder, nbc news will have full coverage of the president's state of the union address on tuesday at 9:00, 6:00 pacific. >>> and tomorrow night, the country's biggest sports event will play out in atlanta. while fans gear up for super bowl liii between the patriots and the rams, authorities have been cracking down on what's happening off the field. bringing awareness to the human toll of sex trafficking. nbc's gabe gutierrez has that story. >> reporter: tonight as thousands crowd into atlanta for super bowl

what does it take to actually control and discipline and restraint the united states, russia, britainance, china, israel, india, pakistan, and north korea? they are nine countries. -- 14500.em, 14.5 how do we get all of the rest of them and the people in these dodone countries that hahave nur weapons to take interest, to getting gauged, and to demand that we e do somethihing about nuclear weapons as an urgent priority? i think the question you have asked is the right one, what does it take to control the great powers that are basicalaly dominated world affairs for such a long time through the threat of catasastrophic violelence? and this is something until we ask the question in exactly the way you asasked, we're notot gog to be able to find an answer. amy: you're talking about the nine nuclear powers. what about what is happening with saudi arabia? last recast democrats accusing the trump administration of moving toward transferring highly sensitive nuclear technology to saudi arabia and potential violation of u.s. law. >> this is part of the geopolitically it's -- geopolitics of the

we will provide russia and other treaty parties with formal notice of the united states' with drying of the inf treaty in six months. russia jeopardized the united states security interests and we can no longer be restricted by the treaty while russia violates it. if russia does not return to verifiable compliance within a month or per, their lodges and associated equipment, the treaty will terminate. the secretary of state from 8:30 eastern this morning. see his entire statement in our video library. mike pompeo what will we -- will the white house today. the white house released a statement, saying russia has violated the nuclear forces treaty with impunity and building a prohibited missile system that poses a threat to our allies and troops abroad. the white house will suspend its obligations under the inf treaty part of their statement. thatc-span, we are life the inter-american dialogue in washington. puertocussion will be on rico infrastructure one year after hurricane maria. it should get underway shortly. [no dialogue] announcer: we are live waiting to start a discussion on pe

other ways and stayed in the treaty and now russia pulling out all together it's a breakdown of arms control it's a breakdown of trust between united states and russia the united states will have problems with its european allies and it will engage in a new arms race with china as well. so there's nothing good comes out of the united states withdraw or i did in brussels i mean this is a rather whiskery agreement wasn't it over thirty years old as alex correspondent pointed out i mean the military global military landscape is dramatically altered say perhaps it itself this time it's needed a complete reboot anyway. well clearly we're not in a situation where we can say oh well we can do away with the ballot or or might actually design and an arms control treaties clearly we're in a situation especially here in europe that has been felt in the last years where small confrontation and especially an uptick in military retore garonne nuclear weapons and the more you threaten nuclear weapons the higher the likelihood of course that that becomes a reality a nuclear weapons will once again be used so as as has been said nothing positive there com

there's quite a bit of pressure at home which sway do foreign powers have in this crisis the united states russia and of course but as well as neighbors in the region all have interests in this conflict well yeah venezuela keeps being backed by russia and china who have big interests they have invested a lot in venezuela because they got a lot of oil from venezuela very cheap prices but at the same time it is surprising how quickly. this reaction from the u.s. came this backing of why don't you and this help and so what some analysts say is it's not only the interest in venezuela for the u.s. because of the oil and the crisis but also because they want to see more new a liberal conservative governments getting stronger in the region after colombia and brazil had elections last year really thank you so much so freely harms a ruthie from our left in america this. now it's check on some other stories making news around the world today at least seventeen people have died in a fire at a hotel in india's capital delhi most recently being when the blaze broke out early on tuesday morning rescue teams sa

wants which is destroying those systems that the united states says doesn't comply russia counter buys shoes in the united states of violating the treaty in three different ways so we've gone back and forth all we need is more discussions we need to figure out how to bring russia back into compliance if russia is not complying with us and it's in everybody's interest as nato has said explicitly in the past this is a crucial element in international security and in arms control with the last thing we need right now is to get rid of this what we need is more arms control agreements where we need to be thinking about as the nonproliferation treaty demands the nuclear powers are supposed to be getting rid of their nuclear arsenals back in the mid one nine hundred eighty s. we had seventy thousand nuclear weapons and now we're the potential is we can go back to that from seems indifferent to that risk the europeans understand it this was a nuclear treaty that eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons and wasn't as good as what we hoped to get out of reykjavik but he still a major step f

this backed up by a statement coming from the white house press secretary is that the united states view is that russia is misrepresenting its position with regard to this treaty according to my pump a oh the united states raised the issue of what it believes is russia's noncompliance with the treaty agreement at least thirty times and that russia refused compliance and as a result a statement coming out of the white house in just the last hour the u.s. will not remain constrained by the terms of this agreement will russia misc represents that actions we cannot be the only country unilaterally bound by this treaty we will move forward with developing our own military response options and we will work with nato and other allies and partners to deny russia any military advantage from this on lawful conduct very strong language coming out of the white house backing up what we saw from the secretary of state we are expecting there will be a background call with reporters where we will be able to ask further questions about next steps regarding this but the criticism of the united states is that the u.s. is

treaty putin that says that says said that russia won't initiate any disarmament talks now with the united states and also that russia won't deploy any missiles that had previously been banned by the i.m.f. unless the united states does that too he went on to say that russia does not want a costly arms race now that doesn't mean that russia we're going to have some sort of arms race just that it will try to do so on the cheap within existing military budgets because let's face it in russia real incomes have been falling now for five years in a row for years money that should be perhaps going to social issues has actually been siphoned into military spending military modernization putin's popularity is sinking quite fast in the moment and i think he probably knows that spending millions and millions of more dollars on military matters when russians are getting poorer isn't going to be a particularly popular move so he would like to keep whatever arms race that is now launched essentially on the cheap and russia denies any violations of course but the u.s. does accuse russia of committing them what

other ways and stayed in the treaty and now russia pulling out all together it's a breakdown of arms control it's a breakdown of trust between united statesand russia the united states will have problems with its european allies and it will engage in a new arms race with china as well. so there's nothing good comes out of the united states withdraw or i did in brussels i mean this is a rather whiskery agreement wasn't it over thirty years old as alex correspondent pointed out i mean the military global military landscape has dramatically altered say perhaps it itself this time it's needed a complete rebuild to anyway. well clearly we're not in a situation where we can say oh well we can do away with the ballot or or might an actual design and an arms control treaties clearly we're in a situation especially here in europe that has been felt in the last years where small confrontation and especially an uptick in military. nuclear weapons and the more you threaten nuclear weapons the higher the likelihood of course that that becomes a reality a nuclear weapons will once again be used so as as has been said there's nothing positive that comes

other ways and stayed in the treaty and now russia pulling out all together it's a breakdown of arms control it's a breakdown of trust between united statesnd russia the united states will have problems with its european allies and it will engage in a new arms race with china as well. so there's nothing good comes out of the united states withdraw or i did in brussels i mean this is a rather whiskery agreement wasn't it over thirty years old as alex correspondent pointed out i mean the military global military landscape has dramatically altered say perhaps it itself this time it's needed a complete rebuild to anyway. well clearly we're not in a situation where we can say oh well we can do away with. your might and actual design and an arms control treaties clearly we're in a situation especially here in europe that has been felt in the last years where small confrontation and especially an uptick in military. nuclear weapons and the more you threaten nuclear weapons the higher the likelihood of course that that becomes a reality a nuclear weapons will once again be used so as as has been said there's nothing positive that comes from this

had moved to their satisfaction on the issue and even now with nato backing up the united states russia just seems to be digging in of course the president of russia vladimir putin says that they are in compliance and that the united states has been unwilling to negotiate so i don't think this is a big surprise for the united states but for the united states this is about more than just russia it's about china as well with u.s. intelligence officials warning that both countries are seeking to expand their global influence china is not a party to this treaty it has deployed long range missiles the kind that are banned under the treaty in asia and the united states says it's worried about that president says his hands are tied to deal with these issues because of the treaty and that's why they are withdrawing now china we are hearing for the first time from the foreign ministry of china in response to that president trump has suggested that he would like to renegotiate the treaty and include china and that china is opposing the u.s. withdrawal from the treaty saying that it was an importa

treaty but russia the united states have said that not only they were concerned with russia violating the treaty but they also want to have china be more involved because they think china is also not in violation of the treaty because a lot of pasta fits but it's violating the issues of the treaty so it will be interesting to see if germany can manage that bring both russia the united states and potentially china into one table three negotiate the i.m.f. treaty case a very big politics we're talking about here now german u.s. relations are not in a particularly good place right now one particular point of contention is the new gas pipeline that's being built from russia to germany known as north stream too. could it be said that germany is following an economic agenda here in terms of the stream to that's actually actively threatening relations with the us of a time when german u.s. relations really need some help coming back to what we've heard yesterday of the security conference it may be actually an issue that hasn't been quite agreed on within the german government so we've been

negotiations said that providing nuclear secrets was necessary because of russia and china it is a strategic imperative that the united states compete and win against russia and china in the nuclear power arena tom barrett who was on trump's inaugural committee also thought that possibly arming might be a good idea mr barak's a gauge meant an investment in business development throughout the middle east for the purpose of better aligned middle east and u.s. objectives and well known as are his more than four decades of respected relationships throughout the region the issue of nuclear power for saudi arabia has been discussed before but that refusal to agree to not enrich or reprocess has been a big stumbling block you might be noticing a little bit of a double standard here not only does the united states oppose the peaceful nuclear energy program of the islamic republic of iran it's actually imposed sanctions on the country for decades and this isn't the first time that the twenty treatment of the two countries has left the u.s. officials red faced in twenty seventeen a reporter asked about the usa criticizing iran's elect

with a domestic electorate to skew the results, that is not a tactic the united states has engaged in but that is part of russia's play. host: we will see with our reviewers agree. independence: 202-748-8002 start dialing in. you mentioned a coalition of the united states and our allies together combating this type of interference in an election. what with the coalition look like? and are there any models out there from previous incidents that other countries in the united states could use going forward? helps that this is not a problem distinctive to america. europeans suffered from russian democracy interference before america's 2016 campaign season and continue to suffer. it seems building on that, one can utilize nato, perhaps a new cyber focus unit nato has stood up as the center of gravity for building a coalition. there is intelligence that can be shared by -- what is happening next? what tactics is russia deploying, especially ones that might be new and hard for a country to detect? and for countries like that to , thatt sanctions publicly is the sort of thing where a national consensus can help. host: ar

major war but i think in the kray mean situation the stakes were drastically different for russia and the united states and obama admitted that later on for russia it was a matter of strategic security a matter of life and that and death for the americans it was a secondary or if not that i michel for a third order do you think that's what still be the case if the american security would be directly engaged if they're going to security was directly engaged if the if the russians thought that their security was in stake over crimea i think they're wildly mistaken it was a small minor issue and a far area i think they overplayed their hand it was probably not a good idea to take crimea though i'm not a big fan of ukraine either but i don't think it i don't think there was any real real danger of an escalation what's impressive about the crimea in the situation in fact is that they never got anywhere near a war between east and the west even though it created a lot of anxiety on both sides while if nuclear weapons were not necessary to deter a third world war i have the it please be unhelpful in deterring

under the i have treaty effective february second we will provide russia and the other treaty parties with formal notice that the united states is withdrawing from the un after eighty effective in six months pursuant to article fifteen of the tree russia has jeopardized the united states' security interest and we can no longer be restricted by the treaty while russia shamelessly violates it if russia does not return to full and verifiable compliance with the treaty within the six month period by verifiably destroying its i n f violating missiles there launchers and associated equipment the treaty will terminate before cause i want to give a special thanks to our nato allies who stood with us in our mission to uphold the rule of law and protect our people their solidarity reflects the historical strength and unity of the nato alliance their support is good for our shared security it's good for transatlantic unity and it's good for international peace and security president trump is grateful for all that you have done the united states is hopeful that we can put our relationship with russia back on a better footing but the onus

united states is withdrawing from the n. f. treaty. effective in six months pursuant to article fifteen of the tree. russia has jeopardized the united states security interest and we can no longer be restrictcted by te treaty wall russia shamelessly violates. russia has denied that they have violated the treaty for president donald trump has said that multiple times he would quit if russia did not transparently dispose of any i. n. s. missiles. hohowever washihington hasae clear they are willing to work on y you bilateral arms agreements. the united states stands ready to engage with russia on arms control negotiations that advance us and allied and partner security and verifiable and enforceable. must also include all the partners. they must all responsibly cocomply with their obligations. the us is decision will come immediately into effect on february second the kremlin had initially been given sixty days to come into compliance with the imf treaty. washington's decision has now sparked fears of a new arms race. let's talk a little more than about this story with the former french ambassador to russia.