alive. >> that was attorney josh -- joining us now is texas state senator, roland gutierrez, who represents uvalde. he is now a candidate for unitedk you very much for joining us tonight on what is once again a difficult night for uvalde, for texas, for the country. to learn from the attorney general that, if the police response had been proper, lives would have been saved. >> yes, lawrence. first, thank you for continuing to tell the truth on this story. because this is the worst law enforcement response to a school shooting in our nation's history. what today's report did, in putting this in black and white, exemplified and justified -- gave justification for everything that we have been talking about. and, indeed the things that we have been talking about were proven to be even worse today. the extreme failure that happened on that day, having law enforcement wait 77 minutes while those children died inside that classroom, waiting for some kind of relief. as you know, lawrence, i've seen all of the video footage. i've seen all of the body cams. because i needed to see what went wrong, and over and over again, cops said, there's

united states. host: harry truman was one of 17 senators. that became president of the united states.es monroe, john quincy adams, andrew jackson, martin van buren, william henry harrison, john tyler, franklin pierce, james buchanan, andrew johnson, benjamin harrison, warren harding, harry truman,, jfk, lyndon johnson, richard nixon, barack obama, joe biden. about 5%. host: only two of them -- thinking this through to be sure -- so, lyndon johnson and barack obama went directly from the senate to the vice presidencym barack obama was never vice president. betty:. betty: i mean, to theidency. host: lbj was vice president for jfk. jfk went straight from the senate. it's, jfk and barack obama are the two that went directly from the senate to the presidency. most had other service in between. host: and other senators have run for president, john kerry and bob dole. is it intimidating at times working with 100 would be presidents? betty: [laughs] it can be. it can be intimidating working with 100 senators period because when you work in the senate in a position like my position was, for in

back to your book "scenes, , people, places and events that shaped the united states senate." nt to ask about two people i think have been forgotten by history, rebecca felton and gladys file. betty: oh, yes, early female senators. rebecca felton was the first female senator. in 1922 she was appointed to fill a vacant seat in the senate and became the first woman to serve from 1789-1822, that is a long time to get a female senator. she came into the office as a fluke in some ways, it was a case where there was a vacancy in the office and the governor of her state moved to gain election to that seat himself, he had lost his own reelection bid for governor and thought the best way he could assure his election was to assuage the women senators of his state to help him give him that spot. the women's suffrage amendment had just passed a couple of years before that, he had vehemently opposed it, alienated a lot of women in his state so he thought if he could gain those women's votes, he would have a good chance the election. so with that goal in mind, he appointed rebecca felton, wh

is engaged in this is a man who sided with segregationist and the senate when he got to the united states senateied in the united states senate all to accumulate power. he has gotten anything for america our republic for the continuation of democracy. everything has been for himself. mark: i think about the word freedom and never used across his lips. he rarely references the declaration of independence with the constitution and then he runs on fifth to valley forge. he couldn't do it january 6 because it snowed and we remember what happened at valley forge it was a horrific winter he is no george washington. he is very schizophrenic used to agree with the attacks on george washington and he hides behind george washington. valley forge and talked about freedom and democracy. can you please tell me is this a man who believes in freedom and the bureaucracy to tell us what ceiling fans we should have them what automobile we should drive. >> joe biden is truly the man training and president he's not for the american people he's for the bureaucrats, how do we know, look at his presidency when covid-1

in public housing, the first college graduate in his family of 12 can find himself in the united states senate coming from the old jim crow south, anything is possible if the people can get their voices back. [applause] so that is the moral work that we had to do for the sake of our nation in a moment like this, but this diminishing and dismissal of the people's voices and the political gridlock it creates are not just manifested in partisan and racial gerrymandering. i would argue that our nation, our house is in a constant struggle with itself. it is the american story and the american dilemma. at every moment in our history, we have had to ask ourselves, are we going to expand the promises of democracy to embrace everybody, to embrace every american, or are we going to restrict those promises? our democracy has always gone through expansions and contractions, and it makes me think about mass incarceration and the car several state we have in our country. the united states the mass incarceration capital of the world. land of the free. mass incarceration capital of the world. no other nation

one of the issues is whether or not bob menendez should stay in the united states senate and truly he's the only person who is likely to make that decision. so far, he has said that he plans to stay. he has said he's done nothing wrong. meanwhile, you do have his democratic colleagues, dozens of them saying he should resign. and many of them really not letting that go, repeatedly pushing maenendez to step aside saying his actions were inappropriate. you also have a lot of questions about whether or not he should continue to be able to attend classified briefings. this is an issue that our colleague manu raju pressed chuck schumer about last month. because there was that briefing on ukraine. and senator schumer said it was up to menendez to decide whether or not he should be attending those briefings, that he had the ability to attend them because he has a security clearance as a united states member of the senate. so i think thats there's a lot of questions right now about whether or not more skcrutiny comes on senator menendez when they return next week on capitol hill, but so far, we

i was what you now call a chief of staff to the united states senator as an improbable -- at an improbablege of 24. in those days, the democratic party went from jim allen of alabama on the right, very conservative, to jim avenue arrest, the south dakota democrat, who was the most liberal. the republicans went from jake javits, who is almost as liberal as any democrat, to a very conservative firm and. the probably -- the parties could not stand for almost anything, because the difference of opinion was so wide. congress was able to legislate, but almost everything went through on a bipartisan basis. for each issue, there was a different majority.within the committees on the full floor, there were always changing. because each of the pieces meaning each of the members was flexible and could go this way or that way on any given issue and within an issue, on various amendments. this part of the bill, that part of the bill, they did everly. that is how they put together bipartisan majorities. that is the only way you could get things done was a bipartisan basis, because the entire democratic c

all but i believe seven of the united states senators, republican united states senators signed on to this brief saying that there was no insurrection, even though they physically ran for their lives on january 6th, 2021. >> you have to look at what it is they're talking about. that is the trump campaign, the former president himself. and think of the america they're trying to create. you have a president who is beyond the reach of the law, you have a justice department who goes after political opponents, on no basis. he's going to prosecute joe biden. well, exactly for what? that's not going to bother them. you have a united states of america that would be unrecognizable to us. that would be one that we would see more in putin's russia as opposed to the united states that we have come to all know and love. and this is really what this is about. this question is about whether or not our democracy will endure. whether or not our democracy will survive. they have put the interests of one man and the views they have that support that one man above everything else. you know, they are happ

and so, i was proud that the people of georgia elected me to serve in the united states senate. won a hard-fought runoff election and the next day, i was feeling really good. all of the morning shows wanted to talk to me. good morning america, morning joe, i know that i had arrived because i was on the view, talking to whoopi goldberg. i was feeling good that morning. it was the morning of january 6th. and you know what happened the next day. a vicious attack on our democracy, on our capitol. and you see me standing here today, having won again, but do not forget that in order to win , i had to stand up for the voices of the people in georgia. the secretary of state and others saw that we had won and you know what they did? they said he will not be able to vote the first saturday of the runoff. they said they were just reading the letter of the law. they were sorry, but their hands were tied and because they said their hands were tied, i decided to untie their hands and i sued them. i sued them and we won. and then those who said their hands were tied showed their hands. they th

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a democratic congressman or tammy murphy, the first lady of new jersey is running for the united states senate. what her qualifications are are beyond me. i won't run for the senate and here's why. because i don't want to be a senator. i think you need to know what you're good at and what you are not good at. i'm an executive. i have run my own business. i could not get out of bed every morning thinking that the thing i need to celebrate is that my bill got marked up in the subcommittee. i'm not a one of 100 guy. i think you need to know what you're good at and what you are not. at this stage of my life to just go for that and be miserable and not do as good a job would be the wrong thing for me to do. i have to be honest with you. when one of our former senators who passed away while i was governor, i had to write to appoint myself if i wanted to and i had the press asking me over and over again. i kept saying no and they kept asking me. one day at a press conference i said, i would rather commit suicide than being a united states senator. that got me in a lot of trouble with mary pat. she wa

tried by the united states senate, twice. enate would stand up, because that crime would be more egregious thanhe other ones. let's back up for a second, because during the impeachment trial three yea trump'sgal team senate republicans argued that it was the job of the criminal justice system deal with statutory crimes, crimes that are in the law books, right? not the senate. they said that the question before congress was whether or level of crimes against the country, which are different from statutory crimes, a novel a argument, and it worked. right? it doesn't have to be a good argument. doesn't have to be a compelling argument. just has to work in this body, because we've got politicians, e chips fall is however the chips fall. but their argument was explicit, which is this is not the now tr arguing in the other venue -- i'm sorry, what i meant was, this is the venue. so what they are really saying is, our guy gets to commit cr crimes. our guy gets commit crimes. and i want everybody who is right of center, far right of c

robert menendez, resign as a perfect christmas present for the people of new jersey and the united states senatef what became 31 democratic senators who called for robert menendez to resign after he was indicted in september best to proceeding indictment october. senator menendez has not resigned and he isn't facing a -- he is facing off new indictment accusing the senator and his wife of participating in a bribery scheme involving the government of qatar in addition to similar charges he already faces involving the government of egypt. today's superseding and government says while the qatari investment company was considering the potential investment into that real estate development owned by codefendant fred davies, robert menendez made multiple public statements supporting the government of qatar. menendez provided davies with the statements so that davies code share them with qatari investors and qatari government officials associated with the investment company. according to new superseding indictment in the weeks davies sent menendez via an encrypted messaging application photographs of a

you are united states senators, for pete sakes. you don't represent the white house, you don't represent chuck schumer, you represent the people in your state. and all of you, the people in your state on this nominee would look to you and say, if they read this letter, the people in your state would say, when you are voting you should not just vote no, you should vote no. i hope and pray maybe one of you chooses to listen to the people in your state. if not, you can look forward to when you are back in your state having constituents read this letter to you and say, why did you think this person should be a judge? i've got to tell you, i wouldn't know how to answer that question. the only answer i know to give to my constituents is, of course i didn't. she would make a terrible judge. to do what you know is right. >> anyone else seek recognition? if not, the clerk will call role. >> [ roll being taken ] >>> be favorably recorded to the floor. next we have christopher kohn so nominated to be the assistant attorney general for the just

in the senate my military oath to c uphold the constitution of the united states. each one of these with integrity and exercised the best of my ability. february 2nd, 2021, the secretary swore in oath to well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office with which i'm about to enter and to protect our country from enemies, domestic and foreign. he promised the american people that he would defend our homeland and uphold our constitutions. tonight my colleagues and i have outlined numerous ways he's derelict in his duty as a secretary and failed to uphold this oath. we are here today because we take our oath seriously and will not stand by idly while he threatens our national security and democracy. for the sake of america's safety and security we need to send a clear message to joe biden and 300 days. as this legislative session ive ask unanimous consent homeland security and governmental affairs committee be discharged from further consideration and the senate now proceeded to the resolution 169 in i asked the resolution be agreed to have the amendment to the

in fact, he gets all the full privileges of the united states senate despite facing these charges. this is adding to the already serious allegations that he faced in the first indictment. that first indictment talking about how he allegedly used his power to assist the egyptian government corruptly. this saying he tried to help the qataris, as well as trying to help a developer from new jersey who was trying to get millions of dollars from a fund tied to the qatari government. that same developer allegedly gave him gifts such as a luxury gold watch as well as some gold bar in exchange for his help from the senator who allegedly took official action to promote some of the actions of the qatari government. this scheme allegedly happened up until 2023. now, tonight, the senator putting out a statement attacking these allegations. according to his attorney saying the government's new allegations stink of desperation. what they have insisted is a string of baseless assumptions and bizarre conjectures. those interactions were always based on his professional judgment as to the best inter

and you should all be proud of the job he's doing as your united states senator. he deserves all our support to. reelection. when you leave here, those of you who are going to your republican caucuses, keep in mind that in a free like ours, the future will be determined not only by what we believe, but by what we do. iowans have, much of which to be proud. together, we can keep america the decent land of freedom and opportunity that god intended it to be. i thank you all of you, for what you've done and what you will do. god bless you. thank you very much. thank you

it stands for the proposition that if you had three or four legitimate independents in the united states senate, they would sort of quell all the forces on the far left and the far right. they would get to call all the shots. more to come next week. thanks for watching. to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. and there's no catch. it's fre. we make money from ads, but they don't follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. i think he's having a midlife crisis join the mi'm not.of people taking back their privacy you got us t-mobile home internet lite. after a week of streaming they knocked us down... ...to dial up speeds. like from the 90s. great times. all i can do say is that my life is pre-- i like watching the puddles gather rain. -hey, your mom and i procreated to that song. oh, ew! i think you've sai

states are very different. basically our senate candidates are going to be running as the person that will represent that state in the united states senate. they're going to be, if you're running in montana it's about montana first, jon tester has proven he is always about fighting for the folks in montana. sherrod browne in ohio. they're gonna be talking about what they accomplished, and what they're gonna do in the future. there is going to be a clear contrast between the republican opponent and our incumbents. that contrast will make a difference in the election. >> do you have any guidance for voters about how they should or should not consume polls as these elections approach? >> polls always need to be taken with a grain of salt. certainly now, it's very very early. we have campaigns to run. there's going to be a lot more attention on what's happening. so the important thing is, there's only one poll that matters. that's election day. they have to get out and vote. or vote absentee, but make sure that their voice is heard. >> one of the things i think that mystifies some voters and me is how people like sherrod brown

there are a hundred senators, but as the presiding officer and i both know, there are thousands of people that work in the uned states capitol for the uniteda larger body of people that are critical to keep this institution running. and there are amazing folks that work here in the united states senate. if you take the time to talk to them, you will hear stories that make you feel proud to be an american, from literally the people that are keeping the 350i7s under this place -- keeping the pipes under this place functional, who keep this place and its history and its heritage preserved. there are people on staffs that make sure the floor runs smoothly so senators can■n prest bills and ideas. this is an extraordinary collection of americans that take part in what is a hallowed and sacred civic institution. but perhaps when people look at the there's two senators here, but there's probably 30 or so people on the floor right now, not to mention working in the cloakrooms. but also people who happen to watch it on c-span -- huh, mom, who happens to watch it a lot -- there are people that i think bring an energy, an excitement, an enthusiasm to

even if the house republicans can aimprove impeaching mayorkas, then it gets to the united states senate for a trial. you have some resistant republicans over there. obviously, that chamber is controlled by democrats, phil. the expectation is that mayorkas obviously would not be convicted, but obviously house republicans continuing to move forward with this important markup today. >> lauren fox, keep us posted. thank you. joining us, political analyst, political anchor errol louis and michelle prescott. thanks for joining us. that tom mcclintock sound is everything for me. while i'm no impeachment scholar, i have a good sense of how it's supposed to work. it's not supposed to work traditionally or historically like this. and here we are. why this? >> this is an election base. if you talk to republican voters in any of the early states and states beyond, this is the top issue they are talking about right now. whether they live on the border or not. the concern about people coming over the border, how it's impacting their communities, there are national security concerns being whipped up b

when i served in the united states senate, i was so profoundly honored to sponsor the emmett till anti-lynching act alongside congressman bobby rush, and it was an even greater honor to stand beside our president joe biden as he signed the law that finally made lynching a federal crime. so many leaders here today made that progress possible. our history as a nation is born of tragedy and triumph. of struggle and success. that is who we are. and as people who love our country, as patriots, we know that we must remember and teach our full history, even when it is painful, especially when it is painful today, there are those in our nation who would prefer to erase or even rewrite the ugly parts of our past. those who attempt to teach that enslaved people benefited from slavery, those who insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, who try to divide our nation with unknown history, debates. let us not be seduced into believing that somehow we will be better if we forget, we will be better if we remember we will be stronger if we remember, because we all here know it is only by understanding and learnin

she is running for reelection to the united states senate this year. much for joining us tonight. you know, that last point you made, that the president, the republican president could try to use this 19th century anti obscenity law sent me rushing to the law books today to read about the comstock act of 1873 and see that it is still in law. it has been sleeping there, one of those laws that have been sleeping there for 100 years, more than 100 years, but that does look like a possibility for a republican president. it wouldn't have to get anything through the senate. >> you know, that's part of the trick here, is to remember these folks, now that roe v. wade has been removed by the supreme court, the republicans are moving forward on every front. they figured out how donald trump can do this alone. they want to take over congress, do it through congress. but they're moving forward right now, for example, trying to ban medication abortion by getting rid of mifepristone, which is used in medication abortions, which would -- that's what about half of all

where are the democrats in the united states senate with removing this guy? this is now a second superseding indictment. a third set of charges. he was using his position of leadership and intelligence information in the united states senate to enrich himself and his wife. i don't understand how chuck schumer can't to go mitch mcconnell and say, look, we need to have a vote to kick him out. to have him in there and to have him have access to that information, who knows what he's doing now to try to pay his legal fees? >> thanks. >>> more on senator menendez coming up. also, claudine gay was the first black woman to serve as president of harvard. after her disastrous appearance on capitol hill, she's out after only six months on t the job. dedetails of h her dowownfall, . to duckduckgo on all your devie duckduckgo comes with a built-n engine like google, but it's pi and doesn't spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. and there's no catch. it's fre. we make

the united states senate seems to be incapable of advancing that. mitch mcconnell is listening to donald trump, and donald trump doesn't want to help ukraine. so until house and senate republicans come back to reality, put our national security interests first, we're going to have some concerns and were going to have to work and do everything we can to make sure that we support the national security priorities that the administration has defined, which includes israel,d includes investment in our southern border. that's what we support and that's what we stand ready to work with in a bipartisan way. >> it is completely absurd for a number of republicans to be opposed to a bill they have not seen. how can you oppose something that you don't even know what is in the text? what the toes because you are not interested in governing. they're not interested in finding solutions. it is a chaotic, dysfunctional extreme governing majority, and the american people are going to see that. >> speaker johnson mentioned that one of the details from in the senate ne

he was elected in 1950 to the united states senate in the largest landslide of any any senate candidate in the country. and two years later, he was elected vice president, united states. all this in just six years. that's a meteoric rise in american politics. i call it mr. hustle. now, i realize that many detractors about richard that would listen to at i have to say. would say, well, you know, he must have changed. but the reality is they have to say something like that. because if you really look his life is incredibly successful and truly all-american. but as to the question as to whether or not nixon changed, i say the best judge of a man is a. so let's look at what the women had to say about richard nixon the woman that knew him best. the women that worked with him evelyn dorn was richard nixon's first legal secretary back in 1937. she wasthat she volunteered for each one of his political campaigns. 1946 5052, 56, 60, 62 and 68. in 1971, evelyn dawn'sbhu died. president nixon stopped what he was doing in the white house and he wrote to evelyn in longhand. i want to express my deepe

he is a candidate for the united states senate, running in the democratic primary against indicted incumbent. three years after january six. how are you reflecting on that dark day in our history? >> thank you, jonathan. it is something i think about a lot. when i'm at the capitol, i think about what happened to the building that day. as i mentioned, i believe it to be the most beautiful building in our nation. i think the capital is the physical manifestation of the constitution. to defile and to disgrace that building is to develop and discuss our constitution. one thing that i came away from that day is i really felt like i learned what it meant to be a caretaker of our democracy. as a result, a caretaker for our capital. i very much continue that every single day, this job right know, right now, we need caretakers for our democracy. people who are willing to step up and protect it at this moment of sheer fragility that we face right now. >> congressman, we heard the president mention this today. what do you make about republicans who condemn trump in the days after the insurrection, but

the end of tomorrow >> the united states senate was still in the middle of impeaching the previous president for stoking insurrection. the house impeachment managers, all of them democrats, were making the case that even though trump was no longer president, he had to be impeached because otherwise future presidents would be free to commit any crime or misdemeanor as long as they did so right before leaving office. to rebut that, trump's lawyers offered this counter argument. >> if my colleague on this side of the chamber actually think that president trump committed a criminal offense, and let's understand, a high crime is a felony and misdemeanor is a misdemeanor. the words haven't changed that much overtime. after he's out of office, you go and arrest him. so there is no opportunity where the president of the united states can run rampant in january at the end of his term and just go away scot-free. the department of justice doesn't know what to do with such people. >> after he's out of office, you go out and arrest him. the justice department knows what to do. that's from trump's lawyers

homeland security of the united states of america, is impeached for high crimes andri misdemeanors and tt the following articles of impoochment be exhibited to the united states senatee thatol on our web site t c-span.org if you'd like the read the entire tech -- text. also here is the response made by the secretary addressed to the honorable mark green, chairman. it's a 7-page response. you can also read through that on npr.org. and let's get the response quickly before we start taking your calls, congressman benny if thompson is the hop democrat on the homeland security panel, and he calledel the impeachment a political stunt. >> this is a terrible day for the committee. the united states constitution and our great country. republican memberstt of congress sworn to support and defend the constitution are rejecting the framer s' clear intent and other two centuries of precedent in favor ofen a sham impeachment. republicans have failed to make a constitutionally-viable case to impeach secretary alejandro mayorkas, a dedicated public servant. the sham impeachment of secretary mayorkas is. a baseles political stunt by extreme maga reflynns -- republicans, chairman gre

one of her chairman is now standing in the united states -- one of her children is now standing in the united states senatehere are certain elements with i we must acknowledge. number one, the united states cannot absorb all of the people who want to come to this country at this moment. we have to have an orderly process that makes sense not only for the migrants but also makes sense for america, first and foremost. we have to be cognizant and sensitive to our nation's safety and security. that's number one. we should never knowingly allow anyone to come to this country who would cause us harm. secondly, we've to make sure that those who come will add to america. and i believe most will. if given a chance, they become part of our economy, even starting at the lowest levels and working their way up. the story of immigration in america. in addition to that, we need to work with other countries to regulate the flow of refugees. the refugee crisis in the world today is the worst it has ever been, and we're seeing it evidenced in the fact that those who present themselves at our southern border are often from p

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which is if the president is convicted and impeached in the united states senate in a proceeding that reflects widespread political consensus. >> you see, it's a shell game. congress impeaches trump for try ooing to overturn an election, and his lawyers say no, no, no, this is a job for the criminal justice system. criminal justice system charges trump and his lawyers say, no, this is a job for congress and the impeachment process. at one point judge florence pan tested that theory with a hypothetical forhe history books. >> could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached, could he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached -- my answer is there's a political process that would have to require impeachment and conviction by the senate. >> trump's lawyer actually argued in court today that trump could send seal team six to kill an apolitical opponent and absent an impeachment and conviction there's nothing the criminal justice system could do about any of it. it is a shocking position to take especially when you conside