as all of the arab states and the gulf states of course china is much more dependent on middle east oil now than the united states and in fact the predictions by twenty thirty five the united states will be almost free will be free of gulf oil persian gulf oil so we're moving in a very different direction in our relationship with the middle east than china is but china has been very successful and maintaining those relationships that go way back some of the earliest states to recognize china in the forty's and fifty's were the arab states many of them socialist leaning founded on r.t. but also china is very troubled by its relationships in south asia particularly other problems between pakistan and india so it's a very difficult transition for this new salute leadership they have these domestic challenges but they have to keep fueling that economy and they have and they need fuel and they can't keep relying on coal because what it's doing to their own environment as well as as well as their own sort of need to shift to a third station vellum it jonathan you want to jump in there. yes absolutely and what i think what you discussed with diplomats and officials in beijing the

united states. the europeans out of china for a bailout, not the united states. -- the europeans asked china for a bailout not the united states. >> it is not us versus them. you do not have to fight. it is not one or two. it is a global community. there are reasonable region regional powers. do not discount russia. there are a lot of resources in all of these countries, especially africa, so what needs to happen is a global understanding. i believe the united states can work as a partner. who cares if we are number one any more? if you are not number one, you are not. mean?does number one reaso tavis: how much of this is fundamentally about american imperialism? or the notion of? >> it is the mindset. i think it has the most to do with it. woodrow wilson was saying stuff about we are the savior of the world, so there has always been this puritanism in our thinking, this concept that america is exceptional in its own way. we are human beings. if anything, it is a global world, and we can interact. we must get over this complex of superiority. >> you are right. a big part of the story is american imperiali

same period john's right that in the arab world the united states face spaces mixed interests on the other hand he didn't mention libya where the united states joined a military intervention that did help lead to what's probably pro-democratic change for the arab world does present a mixed picture but i think it's actually compared to how the united states has approached democratic change in most other regions in the last twenty years ok tom if i could stay to stay with you do you think that the nato intervention in libya was in the name in the purpose for democracy or just geo political interest the un resolution yes the u.n. resolution was about humanitarian intervention in france and britain in the united states ended up taking further in and carrying out an intervention that helped lead to regime change i don't think it was due to sort of deep sinister economic interests i think the united states france and britain actually had the best interests of the b. and actually in their minds and helped contribute to an outcome which will probably be better for libya in the long run than continued khadafi rule would have been ok charles where you

the history of the united states tell us about -- what does the on told history of the night set out tuesday of the united states tell us? >> we like to pride ourselves as the world's leading democracy. that is a joke. people around the world know that it is a joke. the united states constitution used to be the model that every aspiring country used to use. and nobody uses it as a model for new constitutions in other parts of the world. the citizens united case has done more to turn this country into a plutocracy as opposed to a democracy. the fact that people can buy elections and politics, money getting people elected just makes a cruel joke, a cynical joke out of our democracy. that is another reason why it is essential that we have a much more progress of supreme court. tavis: when you know you will have to tell some hard truths to the american public, i am curious whether -- is there any one thing that stands out in your mind where you came across and said that this will be hard to sell to the american people? they will not buy this. they will not believe this. >> you have to start somewhere. i am sure that

the detention of united states citizens or lawful resident aliens of the united states or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the united states." now, that was just sort of to say, leave things as they are right now. it preserved the current state of the law, continuing to leave it to the courts to resolve who is right about whether or not the aoumf authorizes the military detention of united states citizens who are apprehended domestically. i believe strongly that the time has come now to end this legal ambiguity and to state clearly once and for all that the aumf or other authorities do not authorize such a definite detention of americans apprehended in the united states. this is without charge or without trial for year after year after year. to accomplish this, we are offering an amendment which affirms the continuing application of the principles behind the nondetention act of 1971. it amends that act to provide clearly in a clear statement that no military authorization allows indefinite detention of united states citizens or green card holders who are apprehended inside

the united states quickly found it had very few military options to influence what was going on. during the period through 71, the small emirates offered incentives for the united states to come. the british were about ready to give up but the united states said no. flash forward 1973 and the united states no longer has access. so they take the initial step toward military commitments by beginning to protect the navy much further in the indian notion and began to look at the island base called the garcia and began to explore improvements to allow it to project without depending upon and with the host nation support. also the u.s. reluctantly took the same british commitments came later with the fall of the shot and the iranian revolution and the west had to rely on saudi arabia in the aftermath of british withdraw because of america's involvement of vietnam. with the primary killer now gone united states had to figure out a way to project military powers they would no longer shepard after interest in the region. with the carter restoration the annunciation of the carter doctrine in this "state of the union" speech carter said in the attack on western interest in the p

, because the united states would be seen as the deciding partner in such an undertaking with the joint israel or subsequent israel or by the united states alone. united states would be drawn into a protracted conflict in the region. first of all, and perhaps the reigning people as well. the iranians, by and large, the united states must not be hostile. the conflict in which the united states was acting [inaudible] long-acting hatred for the united states. it involves some 85 million people. there would be regional disruption, the conflict would probably be spreading to syria, creating one large issue. withdrawing from the western part of afghanistan. it would be disruptive of the security of oil flowing through the strait of hormuz. and there is a further uncertainty involved in that kind of an operation common namely how successful would be, in fact. and estimates regarding israel's potential to be decisively effective and estimates depend on the scale of the american attack. even a relatively modest attack by the united states would inflict serious casualties when the ratings for this for precipitation of the spirit are still unknown

the united states. israel and the -- this is not just a pet rock commitments of the united states -- bedrock commitment of the united states. it has been endorsed frequently by the international community. the united states agrees strongly. today's grand pronouncements will soon fade and the palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find a little about their lives has changed say that the prospect for a durable peace have only received it. the united states -- prospects for a durable peace have only receded. the united states pass 48 talks without preconditions on all of the issues that divide them. -- ask for negotiations without preconditions on all of the issues that divide them. we will continue to oppose firmly any and all unilateral actions in international bodies or treaties that circumvent or prejudge the outcomes that can only be negotiated, including palestinian statehood. we will continue to stand up to every effort that seeks to delegitimize israel's or undermine is security. progress toward a just and lasting two state solution cannot be made by pressing a green voting button here in thi

some players in the united states willing to hire them and there is a government or political leader who don't provide the appropriate resources to enforce immigration law in the united states, were going to continue having people come into this country looking for a better way of life and also if we have a need for workers in the united states, a long time ago the u.s. government, our political leadership has given the opportunity for workers to come into the country and leave rather than sneak into the united states and ultimately smuggle their families into the united states. and that is what is happening. [applause] >> thank you very much. i think this is a good opportunity now to invite our guests to ask questions of our writers. if you go to the microphone, please, we cannot hear you and i'll help us respond effectively. >> if we read in the press, with the constant mention of these very large cartels in mexico that are smuggling drugs. but how far down the distribution chain to the cartels actually extend? today hired the guys out on the street of the day simply come into chicago and sell it to a middleman anyway going from the major wholesalers down, how far to the

the united states is the largest funder of israel. the united states gives $3 billion a year in u.s. taxpayer money to israel in addition to weapons, in addition to political support. if we're going to be serious about moving forward, the role has to come from the united states, pressure from the united states. it's not enough to demand that it come from egypt. >> diana buttu, many thanks for your time. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >>> back in the u.s., get ou of the way because black friday is here. people spend long hours in line to score major deals this morning. >> it's affordable right now even if you have to be out here for two days to get it. >> it saves a lot of money like a few hundred dollars. >> cnbc's courtney reagan is in dayton, ohio. how is it going so far out there? >> reporter: you know, so far it looks pretty good out here, alex. this mall in particular about did open at midnight. they saw a lot of traffic in the beginning. a lull after the people got what they wanted with the door busters. it's really picking up again here right

according to the president of united states the united states from the math doesn't matter or he simply doesn't care. this is a president hasnow racked up $16.2 trillion in debt and given us a record-breaking four straight years of trillion dollar less deficit. in his press conference yesterday, when he was talking about the need to cut the deficit and bring this under control, he has credibility on this. he has had for years, including two years for of democratic congress to be serious about it. he has not demonstrated. there is nothing in his background or pattern or history that leads us to believe he will do just. lou: senator patty murray, wants to be the chair of the senate budget committee but of dollars that she cannot commit to actually passing a budget. what are we doing with your? >> we are dealing with a bunch of adolescents in the united states senate who don't leave. the congressional budget office is very clear. it is the law of the la he'd have to pass a budget. harry reid hasn't passed a budget and over three years. lou: oh, please, you're just being unrealistic in thei

. >> in particular, we had help from the united states bartender's guild -- not the united states marinehe united states anything. the united states what? >> the bartender's gild. the new york chapter. >> harry smith is with us from high above manhattan. harry, it does strike me, it takes a little bit of the thrill out of the upgrade from the iphone 4s to the 5. without a charge, it makes a really good skipping rock down your flooded city street, doesn't it? >> reporter: and oh, by the way, the service down there where there is no power because the repeaters can't be charged is really crummy, too. there's a lot of people trying to figure out how to get along. there's a certain reservoir of goodwill. and it's being spent day by day by day. quite honestly, it's starting to get a little bit low. >> we sure are sensing that part of it, as i said earlier, the kind of mechanism of a civilized society has stopped running for a lot of people. harry u thank you for chronicling life in lower manhattan on a fourth straight dark night, yes, sir? >> reporter: yeah, i just need to get a shoutout here

trying to control the region, and the discussion of the wall of the united states as a world leader, -- the wall -- role of the united states as a world leader, and if you think back, the french would not allow the united states to fly over their airspace over the situation with tripoli. there was unrest between the united states and france. and, you know, fast forward, and the united states was not the driver. >> if i may on this one, they understood this is not about america, and it should not be made about america. the situation with tripoli. america could not changed the course of history. but beyond that, every situation presented a different situation. this was beyond the consequences. syria has consequences for almost all of the neighbor is the for the first time in history, you have all of the arab rulers -- this guy named muammar gaddafi should go, and you had the u.n. security council resolution. those two are huge. it is, particularly when you are looking for legitimacy. -- it is hard, particularly when you are looking for legitimacy. the one thing we need to be careful about though is the conclusion that we have

data particularly this area where we've seen a huge seen a significant increase from the united states the united states is way out ahead in these requirements with india just coming in a distant second and i think it's particularly this it's not so much the it's not so much to take a town but i think it's particularly these requests for personal information there is it's your sort of big aspect in all sorts of drop but i mean surely governments do have a reason for demanding the removal of certain dates or or indeed access to personal information such as state security and fighting terrorism on the reasons we hear this mantra of national security all the time there are a perfectly legitimate way to get and to gain to gain information which and that is under through the rule of law and through getting a warrant in a court what is particularly alarming it's that actually this is part of a general trend to. governments wanting to gain more and more personal information about citizens and we can see that here in the united kingdom for example the government is proposing a so-called this chart to track all

a strategy that is strengthening their security military cooperation with the united states has facilitating the united states the obama administration's return to a. strategy. so china will be monitoring the united states' actions closely basically sunni's of peaceful international and rahman to concentrate on this more than nice asian and therefore it hopes to have a good relationship with the united states as you were alluding to the u.s. has certainly been increasing its presence or certainly in the eastern part of the world are bringing more troops to darwin of all places also helping south korea build a brand new naval base the outgoing leader who jintao is vile that china will never be a western style political system i do think the west could perhaps learn from china's economic success and but hops at the end of the day adopt some of its principles. china has certainly be due been doing very well you can terms of economic role but at the moment is the economic growth model be reached a state of the admonition returns you certainly faces the real challenges ahead in terms of reducing yours the pendens

the united states to come, as we said. access to military bases the british were about ready to give up. and yet the united states said, no. well, flash forward to 1973 and the united states no longer has access to those bases that had previously been offered. so the united states takes an initial step toward military commitments or military involvement in the gulf in '73, but needed to protect its navy much further into the indian ocean and up toward the gulf than it ever had, and it began to look at an island base in the indian ocean called diego garcia, and began to explore improvements to that base that would allow it to project force to the region without having to depend upon the host nation support. the second step that the united states reluctantly took towards assuming some of those same british commitments, came later on in the decade with the fall of the shah, and the iranian revolution in 1978 and '79. the u.s. had to rely on saudi arabia and iran in the aftermath of british withdrawal because of america's involvement in vietnam, and with the primary pillar, iran, one of the two twin pillars now gone,

should do unto others as we would have others do unto us that should be the united states' influence influence the united states should have should be the beacon on the hill the notion that we've been a country that stood up to the bully as opposed to being a bully. both candidates criticized extensive use of drones by this administration arguing that they create more enemies for the united states and we remember that mitt romney is very much on the same page with the obama administration on the use of drones to execute people overseas the candidates also criticize the use of surveillance drones in the united states that we're also talking about how they would revert to sweeping powers of the patriot act and in general about what they see as violations of civil liberties in the united states take a listen we've looked at the use of the f.b.i. and homeland security against the occupy movement and the coordination of militarized police forces to violate the civil rights and the civil liberties i would have vetoed the national defense authorization act which allows for you and i as u.s. citizens to be arrested and

interests first you have the united nations you mentioned bank you moon he has been holding talks in cairo and he is now here in israel as well the united states to the united states is not necessarily viewed positively by either the israelis or palestinians the israelis or voice felt that the u.n. takes the palestinian side and the palestinians for their side feel that the u.n. could do more so depending on who you're talking about these are the the player in the international community it comes with all the baggage and it's perceived in that context the fact that not you have these marines coming to the region again only for them in trenches the perception particularly amongst our of the palestinians that the u.s. is involved for self interests that the u.s. friendship with as well is partly a self-interest friendship and so what you're international brokers are doing is at the end of the day motivated by self-interest ok and there are certainly times have changed you have mentioned egypt and right now there is this new egyptian leadership with a closer relationship to hamas than under president hosni mubarak how is that affecting egypt's role as a mediator a ro

adelson made in macau in you know offshore outside the united states arguably the largest contributor the largest donor to republican causes in the united states is taking foreign money into the united states to buy campaign to buy an election at the same time that he's been investigated by this administration's justice department for corruption and if his guy wins in all probability that that investigation gets dropped with four on one of the same doesn't isn't as bizarre as it was saying he's going to get really tough on china. i don't think so you know he's also over and. trying to build a multibillion dollar a casino over there but it's not his money he's putting in he wants the spanish people who are already extremely hard hit by they were sturdy program over their. money for him to read a show you know it's. yes. i think it's there it's really important what you said jim which is that just about the very small number of people contributing this money i remember i did a story when this first happened and i went into sort of time to a bunch of people on the three and asked them how much money they would give and they said you know i could

united states. the united states over the last 12 months already exported a record 3 1/2 million barrels of oil and refined product a day. >> that's extremely misleading. >> it isn't. >> they are. we cannot use them, that's why we export them. ken green, let me go to you. >> yes. >> this pipeline will get all kinds of gas, all kinds of oil to be refined to the east coast and west coast, which we have learned from the hurricane emergency, we desperately need. and ken, one other point, the head of the afl-cio building trades, has been on here, 220,000 immediate jobs and as much as 500,000 indirect jobs. ken green, how can we not do the keystone pipeline? >> it is a no-brainer. canada is our ally. you don't blockade allies and trading partners when they are trying to get goods into your market when they both benefit from the trade in the market. we have over 2 million miles of pipeline which are operated safely. we can certainly build another one to operate safely. this is the environmentalives trying to bottle up the oil of canadians and americans because of their concern of climate change. it is not

so come if he's president of the united states than the united states are not united anymore they aresplit but abraham lincoln is willing to push it in the fire. >> host: the odd man out made the of the decision which led to the result that we had and he recognizes this. >> guest: he says what might be the most extraordinary dhaka had ever received and it's a memo that he essentially says you're not doing anything. you should let me be the shadow president and it's quite explicit. lincoln says many things can be done but if something must be done i must do it. so he is a genius at lots of things. one of the things he is gifted that is what you might call personnel management. he knows he's talented, he's a patriot and so instead of leading this as a feud that shatter the cabinet in a skilled politician he is able to reconciliate him and in a few months stewardesses to his wife and incredibly glad the country as abraham lincoln to lead us through this crisis because he is the best of us. so again, without that almost supernatural the to work with almost anybody put anyone, edward stant

you reference an area that is a key one for the united states, and that is energy. the united statesis number one in natural gas. the united states has been working very aggressively in ensuring that it is energy independent. just the other day, "the wall street journal" highlighted that the united states has grown exponentially in terms of its own oil production. i think we're going to see more of that. you were describing an important range of changes, but another one this going to matter in terms of the overall geopolitical calculation and our providing a kind of fire wall for ourselves, we are doing it in this energy area and that is because of technology and diversity in those technologies. >> this is a last one for wolfgang and paula. a year ago, there was a lot of pessimistic talk about the failure of the western model, the success of state capitalism in china and so forth. there seems to be a little more optimistic tone despite the fiscal cliff hoopla. is there a sense now that there is a fairly competent western model of managed capitalism that allows you to move forward in

united states. the united states economy, rather. of what russianing in china and what is happening in europe. >>shepard: the final hours now of the market, and the storm is up 137 points and the volume is not very vie, but what do you make of this on election day? >>guest: it could be, who knows? it could be a trader thinking it will be a republican win. it do be a relief. a relief that the process and campaigning is over. that certainty will now come into focus, this evening. it could be the fact that it is very slow volume. the market has been up and down the past couple of days the same personal. >>shepard: the market hates uncertainty. >>guest: that is right. >>shepard: maybe we will have some certainty tonight. >>guest: if it goes into tomorrow it gets more anxious. >>shepard: we hear about the election and all we hear is the state of ohio which could decide the election. what is the turn out in the buckeye state? what can we learn from the people showing up to vote? we will talk live with representatives from both campaigns. [

united states. the united states senator from new york, united states secretary of state. at would be enough to get anybody in the who's who list, don't you think? i really wish because i really like her for this great american to it take a break like he she wants to. read those novels you put off and see movies with your pals and have fun with bill, but see what comes to mind. see what visions and purpose come into your long-term outlook. there are few people on this planet or the in the history of the country to have the presidency of the united states on their possible to do lists. there are few people with the historic role that secretary hillary clinton could play down the road. the smart move, i think, is for her not to make a move. let us wait. let big bill wait. see how is

the united states wanted to have policemen? ps. if the israelis feel constrained , it's for the united states itself. is in a strategic start with good israelis are doing to help the united states to dominate the region. this is the crux of the problem. the united states has stopped for years to try to dominate the region. i have nothing against hegemony or dominance. i'm all for my children having a great economy, having college paid for that keyword. the problem we found in the middle east, liquid found in asia as it does not work. it doesn't work, our pursuit of this dominant hurts us as we futilely try to pull it off. so yes, israel is pushing for this, but they push on an open door. it was an israeli initiated war, but the united states was behind it. could israel have pulled off in lebanon if iran had breakout capability? probably, but they would think twice and that is the crux of the problem. [applause] >> well, let's go back to diplomacy. here's a question for ken and it is exactly what is the deal on our deal. is enrichment at any level on iranian soil and absolute nonstarter for the u.s.? i