currently debating a bill that would allow any american to carry a firearm anywhere in the united states unimpeded, unregistered. we are just crazy about this issue. we just can't seem to find a place where there is safety. seeing first hand being at these scene and seeing the carnage, i go crazy about this issue that we just can't seem to get our arms around it in a reasonable way. >> and jim cavanaugh is also with us. jim, i want to talk to you about a point i heard you make earlier in our coverage. and it has to do with mental health, it has to go wido with generations. i think you called it setbacks in life. we've learned this gunman is approximately 18 years of age, various reports he may have attended the school, may be a past student. obviously there is a triggering mechanism when someone goes crazy enough to grab a firearm and go into a school firing and we have, what, 20 injured as of the latest count. but talk to me about this aspect ever mental health as you've watched it over the years. >> yeah, i think one of the greatest tools we should have, we do have in some states is mental healt

united states. and by the way, it hasn't ended yet. they continued to be interested in disrupting american democracy. it didn't end with the election. there were periods of time after the election when these folks -- >> went unimpededil september of 2017 when they realized, oh-oh, the gig is up. >> this thing is scary. and the trump administration needs to react and react strongly. >> you heard, josh. i will first let you play an old role, the spokesperson for president obama. they're saying ask the obama administration where they were when this was happening. now that you read this indictment, do you think, how much do you sit there and think, what more could we have done? >> look, i think everybody who was involved in this certainly asks themselves that question. look, the challenge that we were dealing with -- you showed the tape of donald trump during the campaign right there. he was constantly calling into doubt whether or not an election inside the united states could be conducted fairly. and there was this genuine concern inside the obama white house of appearing to look as if we were putting the thumb on the scale on behalf of the president's favorite candidate. now, that did not prevent the president, for