flames and at of this extremism and nothing has been done about it, what is the president of the united stateseally supposedto do about all ofhe extremists. it is ridiculous. >> charlie -- >> rose: yes, al. >> charlie, i am just going to say when talking about effective line going to martha's point the reason the bayonets and horses line was good, not only a nice line but it had some substance to it, when romney says one of the areas he tried to differentiate himself was on defense spending, smallest navy since 1916 that is true but in 1916 of course we didn't have nimitz class nuclear aircraft carrier that can reach targets 1,0 miles away that is more relevant so i think that is why that line work. i don't think this debate changes the basic dynamics but to go to tina's earlier point, mitt romney did do a rope a dope and in denver i thought that barack obama did a rope a dope, what they both ignored in the history of rope a dope is, muhammad ali pummelled the heck out of somebody for eight round before he started rope a doping, these guys did not. >> rose: let me go to chuck todd did you see this